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nautilus
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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war" |
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July 9
BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese police have shot and killed five people who were seeking "holy war" in the restive far western region of Xinjiang, state media said on Wednesday, less than one month before the Beijing Olympics open.
Police in regional capital Urumqi raided an apartment where 16 ethnic Uighurs were hiding, who rushed out wielding knives and shouting "sacrifice for Allah", Xinhua news agency cited an unidentified police officer as saying.
"The policemen were then forced to open fire, killing five on the spot and injuring two. The injured were sent to hospital and the other nine people were captured," he was quoted as saying.
"The suspects confessed they had all received training on the launching of a 'holy war.' Their aim was to kill Han people, the most populous ethnic group in China whom they took as heretics, and found their own state," the report added.
The police had been on the trail of three men in the group who they suspected of stabbing a Han Chinese woman, Xinhua said.
Beijing accuses militant Uighurs of working with al Qaeda to used violence to bring about an independent state called East Turkestan. It says it foiled at least two Xinjiang-based plots this year to launch attacks during the Beijing Games.
Many Muslim Uighurs resent the migration of Han Chinese to the region and government controls on their religion and culture.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080709/tpl-uk-xinjiang-killing-china-9e08e31.html
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JustJohn
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to take this opportunity to remind reuters that 7+9=16. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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I thought it was more like 9+2+5=16, but I could be mistaken.
You may have over simplified. |
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nautilus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Point is...China could well face islamic partitioning and breakaway republics in the same way the USSR did. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool. I like all those whateveristans. Makes the map much more interesting. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war&quo |
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| nautilus wrote: |
"The suspects confessed they had all received training on the launching of a 'holy war.' Their aim was to kill Han people, the most populous ethnic group in China whom they took as heretics, and found their own state," the report added. |
They're going to need more than knives to achieve this. |
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nautilus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| ED209 wrote: |
They're going to need more than knives to achieve this. |
islamic expansionism may be in its infancy in China, but in the long term its an inexhorable process. The virus of islam i stronger and more resilient than communism or nationalism unfortunately. Countries underestimate its threat at their peril. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: China says kills five Uighurs seeking "holy war& |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
They're going to need more than knives to achieve this. |
islamic expansionism may be in its infancy in China, but in the long term its an inexhorable process. The virus of islam i stronger and more resilient than communism or nationalism unfortunately. Countries underestimate its threat at their peril. |
Expansionism? At the very most, muslims are starting to exert dominance/influence in places they already exist. Carrying out terrorist attacks against their percieved enemies doesn't count as expansionism either.
Can you cite one recent example of an "Islamic" goverment invading a non-islamic country in order to increase it's territory? Do you have any evidence of a unified pan-islamic attempt to expand their territories? |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think this is ridiculous. These Turkic Uighurs don't want to be dominated and ethnic cleansed by the Chinese. They are under a lot of pressure. It is a matter of cultural survival. What would you do in their shoes if they are trying to destroy your culture as they perceive it?
I wish people would actually bother reading about these people and what is going on with them. The Tibetan Buddhists don't want to be dominated and neither do the Uighurs. Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
I think this is ridiculous. These Turkic Uighurs don't want to be dominated and ethnic cleansed by the Chinese. They are under a lot of pressure. It is a matter of cultural survival. What would you do in their shoes if they are trying to destroy your culture as they perceive it?
I wish people would actually bother reading about these people and what is going on with them. The Tibetan Buddhists don't want to be dominated and neither do the Uighurs. Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
The Chinese are not ethnically cleansing the Uighers. Sure, they are occupying Xinjiang and many Han have moved there. Sure, employment policies are discriminatory and But that DOES NOT an ethnic cleansing make.
Uighurs struggle in Chinese world.
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| "The Uighurs are in a very difficult position," says Nicholas Bequelin, a researcher with Human Rights Watch. "They can modernize but at the expense of their culture, or they can refuse to do so and end up marginalized economically." |
Yes, there are benefits to Chinese occupation.
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| Since last term, he complains, key school subjects such as math have been taught only in Mandarin, starting in the second grade. To preserve his people's culture, he insists, "education is central. If education is in Mandarin, what do you think will happen?" |
Ummm, this is true in Shanghai, Hangzhou, and other Eastern cities. Most of China does not speak Mandarin as a first language.
I see some shady practices here, but no ethnic cleansing.
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nautilus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
Difference is, bhuddism doesn't seek to dominate others. Its not imperialistic.
Uighur "culture"?? They don't have any, just the adopted global monoculture of Islam. Its hardly unique or worth preserving. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
Difference is, bhuddism doesn't seek to dominate others. Its not imperialistic.
Uighur "culture"?? They don't have any, just the adopted global monoculture of Islam. Its hardly unique or worth preserving. |
Right. I'm sure you're an expert on Central Asian cultures. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
Difference is, bhuddism doesn't seek to dominate others. Its not imperialistic.
Uighur "culture"?? They don't have any, just the adopted global monoculture of Islam. Its hardly unique or worth preserving. |
I may have been pressing it a bit when I used the term ethnic cleansing, but for me it is almost the same effect when you purposely dilute a population.
The Uighurs are Turkic. Yes, they are Muslim, but they do have their own culture. The Italians and the Irish are both Catholics, but they have different languages and cultures. Saudi Arabian Muslims and Lebanese Sunni Muslims are quite different. Why isn't Turkic culture worth preserving and respecting in China? The Uighurs are not trying to dominate the Han Chinese. They are seeking their freedom. It's that simple. Not every ethnic conflict involving Muslims simply boils down to them not like non-Muslims. The Chechnyans don't want to be ruled by Russians, they once used to be free. They speak their own language.
The idea of saying a certain people are all the same is a form of racism.
"They all look alike, think alike", that's all fancy prejudice. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
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| Tibetans turn to Buddhism and Uighurs turn to Islam. |
Difference is, bhuddism doesn't seek to dominate others. Its not imperialistic.
Uighur "culture"?? They don't have any, just the adopted global monoculture of Islam. Its hardly unique or worth preserving. |
I may have been pressing it a bit when I used the term ethnic cleansing, but for me it is almost the same effect when you purposely dilute a population.
The Uighurs are Turkic. Yes, they are Muslim, but they do have their own culture. The Italians and the Irish are both Catholics, but they have different languages and cultures. Saudi Arabian Muslims and Lebanese Sunni Muslims are quite different. Why isn't Turkic culture worth preserving and respecting in China? The Uighurs are not trying to dominate the Han Chinese. They are seeking their freedom. It's that simple. Not every ethnic conflict involving Muslims simply boils down to them not like non-Muslims. The Chechnyans don't want to be ruled by Russians, they once used to be free. They speak their own language.
The idea of saying a certain people are all the same is a form of racism.
"They all look alike, think alike", that's all fancy prejudice. |
You don't get this guys shtick yet do you? Uighur culture isn't worth preserving because they are those evil muslim kinda dudes.  |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't feed the troll(s). The Islamophobes are, more than anything else, boring. |
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