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the boy next door
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regicide
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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Re: McCain not eligible to be president! |
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I was always under the impression that my daughter, who was born abroad was not eligible to be president. Since her becoming president was remote, at best, I never paid close attention to the law.
All I know is that if one parent is American , the child will be granted citizenship upon proof that one parent is American.
But I still thought the child had to be born in the USA in order to be eligible for the presidency. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Everyone but a pedant would agree with this: In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.
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the boy next door
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: |
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My Mama is American. Can my son or I be The President Of The United States some day, huh? 
I swears him or me will be the best President Of The United Of America ever in the entire history of all the whole world, baby! 
Well? Can we? |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Saying McCain is not eligible would basically be a slap in the face to the military in general. It would be revolting for military personnel to have to deal with this. |
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the boy next door
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Saying McCain is not eligible would basically be a slap in the face to the military in general. It would be revolting for military personnel to have to deal with this. |
If I were or my boy were President Of The United States Of America we would make John McCain the Secretary-General of the United Nations and Barack Obama the US Ambassador of Africa and Haiti.
Every US American would be dam proud of us wherever we vacationed...  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| My Mama is American. Can my son or I be The President Of The United States some day, huh? |
From the sound of your post your daddy was something other than American. It also sounds like you (or they) claimed some other citizenship for you. It looks to me like you're out of luck. You'll have to settle for being president or whatever title the locals use in whatever other country you decided to be from before you wised up. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think there is an issue whether or not he's eligible to be president. He's eligible. The question is, will the Republicans actually nominate him during the convention? There is talk that he is not able to keep up a pace in terms of campaigning. From what I've heard, he's been campaigning five days a week and going home on the weekends. Is his age and/or physical condition hampering his ability to campaign? |
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warren pease
Joined: 12 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Everyone but a pedant would agree with this: In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.
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ped�ant - a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning.
Um, wouldn't anyone douchie enough to use the word pedant be a pedant by definition? Unless, of course, he were insightful and handsome enough to be mocking the pedantesque nature of a douchie person. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Um, wouldn't anyone douchie enough to use the word pedant be a pedant by definition? |
No. The post above yours does not meet the test of excessive or inappropriate. It's a quote from aparagraph in the article linked to in the OP, so you'd have to take it up with the NYT editorial board, anyway.
Here's one for you, though.
douchebag - one who excessively and inappropriately displays uncommon depths of ignorance, coupled with a tendency for unprovoked and undesired depths of offensiveness.
Um, wouldn't anyone anally scabby enough to use the word douchie be a douchebag by definition?
As for McCain: There's no doubt when you look at the man that he's an Ameircan through and through. However, just about every criteria spoken of here could be, hypothetically, found in some other person with similar attributes. (Naturalized citizens can serve in the American Armed forces, for instance, and even citizens of other countries, or people with dual citizenshipe with someother country.) I think the key factor, though is that the base in Panama was not at that time situated on foreign soil.
Another question comes to mind, though. What about someone born on Guam, or Saipan? And, what about Puerto Ricans?
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Ya-ta Boy
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Something tells me warren had to look up the word pedant in a dictionary.
Bobster, interesting question about Guamians and Puerto Ricans. They are citizens, but I don't know if they can run for president. I'm just content that Arnold can't. |
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agentX
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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McCain should be disqualified from office because
a) he's too old
b) he's too stupid
c) he's too angry
d) he can't hold a position. 61 flip-flops? Are you f-ing kidding me? How can he defend America when he can't even defend his own position on any issue?
His birthplace shouldn't be an issue, since it was settled by the congress and the courts many years ago. Too bad the 'founding fathers' weren't knowledgeable enough to include some sort of ethics or competency test before allowing someone to be elected to government. Of course, McCain and pretty much every GOP member would fail that test, but still. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I don't think there is an issue whether or not he's eligible to be president. He's eligible. The question is, will the Republicans actually nominate him during the convention? There is talk that he is not able to keep up a pace in terms of campaigning. From what I've heard, he's been campaigning five days a week and going home on the weekends. Is his age and/or physical condition hampering his ability to campaign? |
No. He's got both the nomination and the general election in the bag, and he knows it. Face it, folks. We'll have at least one more term with a republican in the House. Let's see whether that is sufficient time to lean the Supreme Court to the right. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| The question is, will the Republicans actually nominate him during the convention? |
Who in the party has the stature to take it away from him? Any attempt to deny him the nomination after he won it in the primaries would shatter the party. Probably permanently. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I don't think there is an issue whether or not he's eligible to be president. He's eligible. The question is, will the Republicans actually nominate him during the convention? There is talk that he is not able to keep up a pace in terms of campaigning. From what I've heard, he's been campaigning five days a week and going home on the weekends. Is his age and/or physical condition hampering his ability to campaign? |
No. He's got both the nomination and the general election in the bag, and he knows it. Face it, folks. We'll have at least one more term with a republican in the House. Let's see whether that is sufficient time to lean the Supreme Court to the right. |
You maybe right about the nomination, but the general election I very much doubt it. McCain is struggling in states that are general considered safe for Republicans in the last two presidential elections. Unless something huge swings his way, this could be an election that makes Bob Dole look like a more viable candidate then McCain. |
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