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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Why is the Won depreciating? Reply with quote

I noticed that my pay is the same despite getting a 10% increase in pay this year from last year due to a 10% decrease in Won to USD value. Australian teachers claim it's 25% decline for them from last year. And the won keeps it's steady decline. Today, it's hitting 12% as it's 1040 Won to the dollar instead of 930 like it was last year.

This must have something to to do with politics such as a new president elected in last December. But how?

We all know the dollar is facing rough times. Why is the won falling faster than the dollar to the point of being weaker? I've been warned from several sources that a crash in Korea and America could occur soon. I sure hope not.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is because foreign investment is down in Korea, FACT!
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michael5799042



Joined: 16 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few possible reasons:

1) Korea is the world's 4th largest importer of oil
2) Korea has screwed over foreign investors for trying to make a profit in Korea (Lone Star's investment in KEB bank). So, if you can't make a profit on an investment here why invest here?
3) It is not the new president that is damaging, it is the rejection of the new president that is damaging. Judging by the protests does this look like a country that is willing to make some tough decisions and open itself up to the world?

And some longer term problems:
1) Korea built its economy by copying other products and there is nothing stopping other coutries from copying the same products and selling them for less.
2) Korea has the world's lowest birthrate. Therefore, they will all get old before they have a chance to get rich. This problem is also unlikely to be remedied by a newfound acceptance of immigration. Why invest your money in a country populated by old people?

There are also many external factors, but that is another topic.
In short (unless you know what you are doing) I would recomend keeping your money in the currencey that you plan to spend it in.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But currency is all relative.
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michael5799042



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relative to... other currencies? Yes, there are many out there.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael5799042 wrote:
A few possible reasons:

1) Korea is the world's 4th largest importer of oil
2) Korea has screwed over foreign investors for trying to make a profit in Korea (Lone Star's investment in KEB bank). So, if you can't make a profit on an investment here why invest here?
3) It is not the new president that is damaging, it is the rejection of the new president that is damaging. Judging by the protests does this look like a country that is willing to make some tough decisions and open itself up to the world?

And some longer term problems:
1) Korea built its economy by copying other products and there is nothing stopping other coutries from copying the same products and selling them for less.
2) Korea has the world's lowest birthrate. Therefore, they will all get old before they have a chance to get rich. This problem is also unlikely to be remedied by a newfound acceptance of immigration. Why invest your money in a country populated by old people?

There are also many external factors, but that is another topic.
In short (unless you know what you are doing) I would recomend keeping your money in the currencey that you plan to spend it in.


Nail on the head, I'd say.
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Brady



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea isn't the lowest in birth rate, by most accounts. Japan is further down there, as is Hong Kong.
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Bigfeet



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your currency need to stay cheap if you want to be an export economy.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to the reasons listed above, the government has had a weak Won policy for some time. It makes their exports cheaper and therefore more desirable. It is reconsidering this policy now that the price of everything is going up.
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Korean won has been becoming weaker each month for the previous 2 years....

Korean won compared to United states dollar - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2618960855_6525cf1bf7.jpg?v=0 [/img]

Korean won compared to British pound - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2618960815_af703663cc.jpg?v=0 [/img]

Korean won compared to Canadian dollar - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2619784300_0e558104d8.jpg?v=0 [/img]

Korean won compared to Australian dollar - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2619784272_de432beb02.jpg?v=0 [/img]

However - it was much WORSE 4 years ago -

Korean won compared to United states dollar - (4 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2618960815_af703663cc.jpg?v=0 [/img]

Korean won compared to British pound - (4 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/2618960725_3f43472eb3.jpg?v=0 [/img]


so compared to 4 years ago - the Korean won has actually IMPROVED...

The glory days of the year 2000, 2001 (when the Korean won was very strong) are over....


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cedarseoul



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
In addition to the reasons listed above, the government has had a weak Won policy for some time. It makes their exports cheaper and therefore more desirable. It is reconsidering this policy now that the price of everything is going up.


And this, perhaps, will be our salvation (those of use who wire money home): that the absurd inflation rate will temper the government's desire for a weak won. Already, the Finance Ministry has intervened several times over the past month, selling billions in dollars to keep the won from tumbling further.

It probably WILL weaken a bit more during the heat of summer, but with the government's shift in attitude, it won't be as drastic as it might have been.
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the ireland



Joined: 11 May 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:



Korean won compared to British dollar - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2618960815_af703663cc.jpg?v=0 [/img]


However - it was much WORSE 4 years ago -


Korean won compared to British dollar - (4 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/2618960725_3f43472eb3.jpg?v=0 [/img]


so compared to 4 years ago - the Korean won has actually IMPROVED...

The glory days of the year 2000, 2001 (when the Korean won was very strong) are over....




since when has there been a british dollar? is it as good as the american /canadian pound or the australian Euro?
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ireland wrote:
Yesterday wrote:



Korean won compared to British pound - (2 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2619784408_964103e003.jpg?v=0 [/img]


However - it was much WORSE 4 years ago -


Korean won compared to British pound - (4 year period)

[img] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/2618960725_3f43472eb3.jpg?v=0 [/img]


so compared to 4 years ago - the Korean won has actually IMPROVED...

The glory days of the year 2000, 2001 (when the Korean won was very strong) are over....




since when has there been a british dollar? is it as good as the american /canadian pound or the australian Euro?


Pound - same thing....

The Chinese call the "American dollar" the "American Yuan" they also say the "Japanese Yuan" and "Korean Yuan" (not dollar, won, yen)

anyway - in Korea I could say 100 British pounds = 45.3592 Korean kilograms
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is the Won depreciating? Reply with quote

Current account deficit is your trade deficit, budget deficit, which both effect the strength of the currency. For most of the spring, Korea's current account deficit was ballooning. However, recently, it's being going down.

http://news.ino.com/headlines/?newsid=62620081191

So hopefully, the won should improve in the short term. The big reason is the price of oil. Importing gobs of oil hits Korea's trade balance sheet hard. But it's not just oil, it's commodoties in general. Krugman had a piece in the NYtimes about how not just the price of oil has skyrocketed, but commodities like iron ore have as well, due to increased Chinese demand. American domestic steel production has resumed because of international demand.

All of these resources Korea has to import, and they used to be relatively cheap. No longer. Importing them hurts their trade balance, which hurts the currency.

As long as China (and India) are developing at the pace they are, this is going to be a problem for the won.


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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time the exchange rate has been decent was between Jan '06 and March or so of this year. I consider 'decent' to be under 1000, like it was back before the collapse of '97.

Jan. '97 W857.5
Jan. '98 W1,695
Jan. '99 W1,187.5
Jan. '00 W1,128.00
Jan. '01 W1,279
Jan. '02 W1,317.4
Jan. '03 W1,190
Jan. '04 W1,195.1
Jan. '05 W1,038
Jan. '06 W1,010
Jan. '07 W930
Jan. '08 W935.8
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