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Major Kong

Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Are you really here to teach? |
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Honestly, the cash is not worth our time. The "Villa" does have good water pressure though. I still have an inquiry, " Cash or sharing knowledge?", just inquisitive. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Are you really here to teach? |
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Major Kong wrote: |
Honestly, the cash is not worth our time. The "Villa" does have good water pressure though. I still have an inquiry, " Cash or sharing knowledge?", just inquisitive. |
The cash is not worth out time? Well I don't know about you, but I can put away $1,000 a month here. Back home it took me a good 8 months of savings, barring unexpected setbacks (new tires, brakes) to do that. I keep hearing how the money is so blah here in Korea but of all my friends and aquantences I only know one who is currently making over $2500 a month. Granted I am from the midwest but if it were possible to make $5,000 a month anywhere in the states or elsewhere why would anyone be here to begin with?
As for your original question, I am here to bankroll a new career which I will begin in about a year or two. On any job, not just teaching, I don't care about what happens with my work once i do it. I do a good job so I can keep my job and if my kids learn (and many do) it's great. If they don't I could care less. I did my job and most importantly-I got paid. I figured out a long time ago that feeling that there is a moral imperative that you "make a difference" in whatever you do only seems to serve the purpose of making you ovely "usable" to someone else who will seldom compensate you for your sacrifices.
As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I lead the horses to water so to speak and when my job is done I walk away. There are lots of variables invoilved in childrens' learning and as a teacher very few are under your control. The only difference I feel compelled to make in any life are those differences in my own life. It would be great if I were to influence people in a positive manner such that it would have great signifigance in their lives but I won't lose any sleep over it if it doesn't happen. I watched my father go above and beyond the call of duty on all his jobs all of his life. The result-my brother and I have zero relationship with him. He was never there for us.
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't heard of any other awesome employment opportunities like this. Even in the medical field, you still have to pay to train.
I'd say teacher's are there for the knowledge. Knowledge they can impart, and knowledge they can gain. It's win-win all the way around. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: Worth the Time? |
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Here are the facts, I have the knowledge and can teach. Been doing this for more than 29 years and still get excited about sharing new information with students. As for the cash part, I save way more here than I ever thought about saving in the USA, and I too lived in the midwest for the better part of my adult life before deciding to come to Korea.
BTW, I am not one of the "losers" most people often cite as the only ones who come here to get a job. I had advanced degrees in the States and was working at several colleges and universities before I decided to come. My last year in the States I pulled down $73,000 as a university professor and just got tired of chasing my tail trying to make ends meet financially,
Here I can save money hand over fist and don't have to try that hard. My wife who is Korean does an excellent job of managing our finances, and I gladly give her that control, knowing that she is the reason why we have made such good investment choices here. Saved a bundle last year, probably going to match or exceed it this year, and guess what, I really like my teaching job.
I actually teach rather than just being a voice box for the KT. We have a cooperative agreement between my co-teacher and I: She teaches 2 days each week and I assist; I teach 2 days each week and she assists. More shared responsibilities that make my life very good as an instructor here. I came here as an experienced teacher, so I didn't have to struggle with the normal nervousness and hassles some newbies have to go through. I do believe the level of instructors follows the pendulum from good to bad to good, but it is up to you to do a good job, and nothing can replace experience.
So to answer the OPs original question: "Cash or sharing knowledge?" I am here for both and doing quite a good job of both.
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Worth the Time? |
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tob55 wrote: |
Not bragging, but I have the knowledge and can teach. Been doing this for more than 29 years and still get excited about sharing new information with students. As for the cash part, I save way more here than I ever thought about saving in the USA, and I too lived in the midwest for the better part of my adult life before deciding to come to Korea.
BTW, I am not one of the "losers" most people often cite as the only ones who come here to get a job. I had advanced degrees in the States and was working at several colleges and universities before I decided to come. My last year in the States I pulled down $73,000 as a university professor and just got tired of chasing my tail trying to make ends meet financially,
Here I can save money hand over fist and don't have to try that hard. My wife who is Korean does an excellent job of managing our finances, and I gladly give her that control, knowing that she is the reason why we have made such good investment choices here. Saved a bundle last year, probably going to match or exceed it this year, and guess what, I really like my teaching job.
I actually teach rather than just being a voice box for the KT. We have a cooperative agreement between my co-teacher and I: She teaches 2 days each week and I assist; I teach 2 days each week and she assists. More shared responsibilities that make my life very good as an instructor here. I came here as an experienced teacher, so I didn't have to struggle with the normal nervousness and hassles some newbies have to go through. I do believe the level of instructors follows the pendulum from good to bad to good, but it is up to you to do a good job, and nothing can replace experience.
So to answer the OPs original question: "Cash or sharing knowledge?" I am here for both and doing quite a good job of both. |
I think it's great that you feel some sort of fulfillment in your job. I never felt that in any job I had. Work always seemed like a necassary evil by which means I genrate capital to do the things i really want to do in life. I never made what you did and maybe that's part of it. But I watched my father bust his butt for 35 years and basically get little in return for it other than a herniated disk and severe arthritis. Oh well, I gues there's that $12.00 plaque on the wall that says "great job".
If at some point I feel that my job is meeting some sort of essetial need then great but I am not going to base my entire well being or lack thereof on that simple facet. Many people here do and that's why you get lots of these psychotic posters from time to time. In my life I've seen people in IT go from making $60,000 a year to an $8.00 and hour job in a matter of a few months. A job is just that - a job. It's not your life or at least it shouldn't be. There's far better ways to direct your efforts rather than making someone else rich.
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: HBC
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Worth the Time? |
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tob55 wrote: |
Not bragging, but I have the knowledge and can teach. Been doing this for more than 29 years and still get excited about sharing new information with students. As for the cash part, I save way more here than I ever thought about saving in the USA, and I too lived in the midwest for the better part of my adult life before deciding to come to Korea.
BTW, I am not one of the "losers" most people often cite as the only ones who come here to get a job. I had advanced degrees in the States and was working at several colleges and universities before I decided to come. My last year in the States I pulled down $73,000 as a university professor and just got tired of chasing my tail trying to make ends meet financially,
Here I can save money hand over fist and don't have to try that hard. My wife who is Korean does an excellent job of managing our finances, and I gladly give her that control, knowing that she is the reason why we have made such good investment choices here. Saved a bundle last year, probably going to match or exceed it this year, and guess what, I really like my teaching job.
I actually teach rather than just being a voice box for the KT. We have a cooperative agreement between my co-teacher and I: She teaches 2 days each week and I assist; I teach 2 days each week and she assists. More shared responsibilities that make my life very good as an instructor here. I came here as an experienced teacher, so I didn't have to struggle with the normal nervousness and hassles some newbies have to go through. I do believe the level of instructors follows the pendulum from good to bad to good, but it is up to you to do a good job, and nothing can replace experience.
So to answer the OPs original question: "Cash or sharing knowledge?" I am here for both and doing quite a good job of both. |
What a great post.
I'm sick and tired of people who label us losers because we came to teach in Korea. For some of us it is a well thought out choice. I was pulling in 32,000 pounds in the UK - but I couldn't save a penny. Here I earn much less, but I can put away 500 pounds a month without even trying. And I work less hours.
Who's the loser? |
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: HBC
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Oops. I meant "I work fewer hours."
Just thought I'd get that in before the grammar Nazis pounce. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Earnings and Fulfillment |
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Not criticizing you xingyiman, I understand where you are coming from, and I respect you for being honest enough to say it. Too many people get run over and don't even stop to think about it. I know that feeling all too well from personal experiences in the States. That didn't lead me to decide on coming to Korea, it was really much more simple than that.
On day I was sitting at my computer thinking, I am older now and find the whole "kiss azz to get a job" thing getting too hard to deal with. So I thought, I am going to make online applications to 3 - 4 places since I was noticing a lot of "Come and Teach in..." advertisements. So, I sent off e-applications to El Salvador, Ecuador, Korea, and Brazil. I said the first company that contacts me will be the place I go, and I heard from Korea first. In fact, none of the other places ever bothered to reply to my e-application. So it was just that simple.
A new place, an opportunity to do somethings I had never done in terms of travel around the world, and opening my eyes to entirely different culture and lifestyle. No life shaking revelations to come and do a humanitarian work to save the world in so many words. I just needed and wanted change in my life. I must say, I have not regretted one minute of my time here in Korea. Sure it sucks in some ways, but I tell you, my life and lifestyle here is much better than anything I have experienced over the past 20 years, and I didn't have it bad in the States. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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From what I have seen most people here are not teachers at all. They are kids with disparate university degrees who think employment in Korea will be an interesting way to travel while earning good money.
You are a teacher, and can carry that title, once you have completed teacher training in your own country, gained professional development within the career, and/or have much experience with methodology gained while on the job.
Teachers? No. Native speakers? Yes.
원어민 is not the same as 선생님. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
From what I have seen most people here are not teachers at all. They are kids with disparate university degrees who think employment in Korea will be an interesting way to travel while earning good money.
You are a teacher, and can carry that title, once you have completed teacher training in your own country, gained professional development within the career, and/or have much experience with methodology gained while on the job.
Teachers? No. Native speakers? Yes.
원어민 is not the same as 선생님. |
I think the munka said it. In every career field, people take jobs for the external benefits (i.e. money, travel, professional development) and end up being professionals in their field if they stay more than 2 or 3 years to make a career out of it. All professionals in every field were once inexperienced, less skilled, and unsure if they will make it a career.
Well, that's just where I'm at as the markets will only change and most likely a career change will be necessary as this is not grandpas day where you do the same thing for the same company all your life. It's OK if you didn't intend to teach, but are right now. No shame in being a teacher instead of a financial analyst, broker, or other stereotypical professional as the job market in those traditional fields is horrible and only going to get worse. |
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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
From what I have seen most people here are not teachers at all. They are kids with disparate university degrees who think employment in Korea will be an interesting way to travel while earning good money.
You are a teacher, and can carry that title, once you have completed teacher training in your own country, gained professional development within the career, and/or have much experience with methodology gained while on the job.
Teachers? No. Native speakers? Yes.
원어민 is not the same as 선생님. |
*beep*. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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You are a teacher, and can carry that title, once you have completed teacher training in your own country, gained professional development within the career, and/or have much experience with methodology gained while on the job.
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The position that you posit is really just the modern way of doing things. Traditionally, a teacher was an educated person who passed on thier skills to the less educated person thus making them better at the skill they were learning.
While that person is carrying out the teaching of a skill they are a teacher. The certification of certain individuals is more a recent development and also one that helps create some certainty in mthodology but not one that is necessarily needed to make a teacher.
You can agree or disagree but I have had people be my teacher who never went through a training program and they weren't any worse than the certified maths teacher in High School who had me for 2 years and didn't manage to impart any knowledge to me. Therefore I feel that a teacher is defined less by certification and more by the ability to impart knowledge. |
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Stormy

Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Location: Here & there
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Nah I came over for the mud wrestling but apparently I was deceived. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I enjoy teaching and I find it very rewarding. The money and numerous opportunities to take holidays are nice, as well. Apart from the fact that I need to work somewhere I can't think of any other answer as to why I'm here. I'm certainly not here for the food! |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Worth the Time? |
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tob55 wrote: |
Not bragging... |
Why is this statement always followed with tons of bragging? |
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