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bogey666
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Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: what is "appropriate" for Korean highschoolers to |
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my Kotex was squirming and then talked to me after the class when I showed them the Justin Kimberlake video with Scarlett Johanssen - there was some suggestive posing and passionate kissing - this is what made her squirm..
she said it wasn't "appropriate".
I asked - don't you have the same stuff on your soap operas?
of course, when I showed a scene from the original Terminator movie, where Arnold blows away like 50 people in the course of one minute, many from close quarters and graphically, that didn't elicit a murmur.
So..
Gonzo violence and death is most appropriate.... but kissing is not.
unless it's of the "Korean princess" cutesy heart making and blowing kisses variety .
(now contrast this to Japan where many game shows are extremely sexual and explicit )
this country will never cease to amuse me.
(though to be fair, it's exactly the same with many religious and Puritan loons in the US) |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So you're teaching in a public school and were cautioned about showing 'sexy' music videos... seems fair enough to me. |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: what is "appropriate" for Korean highschoolers |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
my Kotex was squirming and then talked to me after the class when I showed them the Justin Kimberlake video with Scarlett Johanssen - there was some suggestive posing and passionate kissing - this is what made her squirm..
she said it wasn't "appropriate".
I asked - don't you have the same stuff on your soap operas?
of course, when I showed a scene from the original Terminator movie, where Arnold blows away like 50 people in the course of one minute, many from close quarters and graphically, that didn't elicit a murmur.
So..
Gonzo violence and death is most appropriate.... but kissing is not.
unless it's of the "Korean princess" cutesy heart making and blowing kisses variety .
(now contrast this to Japan where many game shows are extremely sexual and explicit )
this country will never cease to amuse me.
(though to be fair, it's exactly the same with many religious and Puritan loons in the US) |
Isn't that how it is in the US? Violence YES, a nipple? GASP! |
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Kiarell
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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it's everyone's choice whether to be a sex fiend, but Christ, bearing witness to this stuff should not be such a big deal.
When I do song lyric lessons I refuse to play safe music (corporate, passive garbage that passes for pop music no matter it's country of origin) and throw in some philosophical or political stuff or nonsense music if it sounds good (like the Led). So I defend the OP only halfway though...Justin Timberlake is some real opiate-of-the-masses, mind-numbing music.
It's just pictures and sound, though, won't do anyone any harm. It's not like making them reading artless, reactionary garbage like Atlas Shrugged. Now that it is wrong. And giving anything written by Dickens to anyone short of a graduate student in English literature is cruel. A Justin Timberlake music video is just five minutes of white middle-class sexual escapism. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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FYI
"Kotex" is a brand of tampon or pad. Try CoTex. |
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Scotticus
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
FYI
"Kotex" is a brand of tampon or pad. Try CoTex. |
Haha, I thought the same thing.
| red_devil wrote: |
| Isn't that how it is in the US? Violence YES, a nipple? GASP! |
It IS exactly the same in the US. There've been countless polls and studies showing that the average "American" is more offended by sex than gratuitous violence. |
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wanamin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
FYI
"Kotex" is a brand of tampon or pad. Try CoTex. |
FYI
"Play on Words" is when one uses a word with an ambiguous meaning, which could be substituted for another.
I'm guessing Bogey knew about that brand of feminine hygiene products and was trying to be funny.
"Over your head" is what happened to his joke. |
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poet13
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I wouldn't think showing kissing scenes in school unless there was a reason (acting club or something) would be appropriate. I have shown videos of practical jokes and humor where there was kissing, but there has been a humorous point behind it. If a co-teacher was to say it was innapropriate, I would show something else.
I also wouldn't show people being blown away. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiarell wrote: |
it's everyone's choice whether to be a sex fiend, but Christ, bearing witness to this stuff should not be such a big deal.
When I do song lyric lessons I refuse to play safe music (corporate, passive garbage that passes for pop music no matter it's country of origin) and throw in some philosophical or political stuff or nonsense music if it sounds good (like the Led). So I defend the OP only halfway though...Justin Timberlake is some real opiate-of-the-masses, mind-numbing music.
It's just pictures and sound, though, won't do anyone any harm. It's not like making them reading artless, reactionary garbage like Atlas Shrugged. Now that it is wrong. And giving anything written by Dickens to anyone short of a graduate student in English literature is cruel. A Justin Timberlake music video is just five minutes of white middle-class sexual escapism. |
So you'd be cool with any type of picture or sound being played in class?
If so, I'm glad you don't teach my kid. |
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Jandar
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| wanamin wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
FYI
"Kotex" is a brand of tampon or pad. Try CoTex. |
FYI
"Play on Words" is when one uses a word with an ambiguous meaning, which could be substituted for another.
I'm guessing Bogey knew about that brand of feminine hygiene products and was trying to be funny.
"Over your head" is what happened to his joke. |
actually Kotex is a play on words and spelling that I learned by reading THIS site..
and I was amused.
So you have yourselves to thank.
and I'm not particularly kvetching about the gratuitous violence ok, absolutely nothing sexy prohibition either. It wasn't a prohibition or even an admonishment, she was pretty cool about it, more like a suggestion and I said "no problem, I won't show anything "risque" at all"
As I and others noted, it's the same way in the Puritan USA.
It really doesn't bother me either way, I have no reason to show anything sexy or suggestive anyways.
However, in that Kimberlake/Johanssen video, what made me raise an eyebrow was that in the scheme of things (especially modern pop videos) the "sex quotient" was really quite low.
Unless seeing people engaging in a real (aka passionate) kiss unlike the Korean "blow a kiss princess" variety somehow OFFENDS you?
actually what the teacher said that really shocked me is that some KIDS might "complain".
that's what I found more laughable than anything else.
16-17 year old boys will complain? about THAT?
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Kiarell wrote: |
it's everyone's choice whether to be a sex fiend, but Christ, bearing witness to this stuff should not be such a big deal.
When I do song lyric lessons I refuse to play safe music (corporate, passive garbage that passes for pop music no matter it's country of origin) and throw in some philosophical or political stuff or nonsense music if it sounds good (like the Led). So I defend the OP only halfway though...Justin Timberlake is some real opiate-of-the-masses, mind-numbing music.
It's just pictures and sound, though, won't do anyone any harm. It's not like making them reading artless, reactionary garbage like Atlas Shrugged. Now that it is wrong. And giving anything written by Dickens to anyone short of a graduate student in English literature is cruel. A Justin Timberlake music video is just five minutes of white middle-class sexual escapism. |
So you'd be cool with any type of picture or sound being played in class?
If so, I'm glad you don't teach my kid. |
Well, thank you for taking one sentence in my post to the logical extreme. I can see you've missed my lack seriousness as I referenced my own past in high school where I suffered more from bad books, and thick Charles Dickens literature far more than I suffered from any images or movies any new-age teachers presented me. That was the point. No one looks back and complains how they were scarred for life by those pictures in health class. Sure I remember them. I also remember getting family portraits and going to the beach with my dog.
When I look back on high school my friends and I will complain about Charles Dickens or tripe like that of Ayn Rand. I never talked to anyone who said "Man, if only I could go back in time and skip school the day I had to see photos of diseased genitalia in health class. Oh God WHY WHY WHY DID I HAVE TO SEE THAT!!!" |
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Tjames426
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The Question is...
What does showing that video have to do with teaching English????
Or, is it another clueless 20 some year old showing a tasteless video because they are too incompetent or too lazy to actually teach something useful???? |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiarell wrote: |
| It's not like making them reading artless, reactionary garbage like Atlas Shrugged. Now that it is wrong. |
Atlas Shrugged is a very well written book that puts a wonderful philosophy into beautiful prose. If there's one philosophy this country and mine need more of, it's objectivism.
http://www.theobjectivistcenter.org
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nicholas_chiasson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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half the time the kids are saying "pop song pop song"
and then they get upset when you tell them 'Slither' is about heroin. |
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