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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Miriam Ferguson, along with a few other people, have been credited with the quote: �If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it ought to be good enough for the children of Texas.�[6] She was an educated woman and fairly well-read, so it is somewhat unlikely that she actually ever uttered those words. There are also variations of these words going back to 1881 that were often used to ridicule the backwardness of various unnamed Christians which strengthens the argument that the attribution to Ferguson was incorrect.[7] |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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When God speaks to Bush He has to speak English because Bush doesn't really speak Spanish. |
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KrazyInKlamath

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Location: Gyeongsan, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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"I agree that immigrants should learn English," Obama said. "But instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English � they'll learn English � you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about how can your child become bilingual. We should have every child speaking more than one language."
I personally think that all American children should begin learning a second language by at least fifth grade (then maybe, if desired, begin a third language while continuing the second). I think we have spent too long not encouraging foreign language study. However, I object (and I think others object to the same) to the second language having to be Spanish. What is wrong with German? What is wrong with Chinese? What is wrong with Arabic? French? I think each school district should decide which language will be taught as the second language. Granted, most school districts will probably choose Spanish, but at least there is a choice. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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KrazyInKlamath wrote: |
"I agree that immigrants should learn English," Obama said. "But instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English � they'll learn English � you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about how can your child become bilingual. We should have every child speaking more than one language."
I personally think that all American children should begin learning a second language by at least fifth grade (then maybe, if desired, begin a third language while continuing the second). I think we have spent too long not encouraging foreign language study. However, I object (and I think others object to the same) to the second language having to be Spanish. What is wrong with German? What is wrong with Chinese? What is wrong with Arabic? French? I think each school district should decide which language will be taught as the second language. Granted, most school districts will probably choose Spanish, but at least there is a choice. |
A few seconds later he mentions Americans not being able to speak French abroad, so he's only saying Spanish here as a general introduction to the subject of bilingualism. You know, learn Spanish, learn French, learn languages, come on people! That kind of tone. He's certainly not saying learn Spanish and Spanish alone. |
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KrazyInKlamath

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Location: Gyeongsan, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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mithridates: Thank you for the insight.
Unfortunately, I think that when the parents and school systems finally decide that two years of high school foreign language is not enough, there will be a lot of lobbying going on to require all students to learn Spanish, these lobbyists will then convince Congress to refuse federal tax dollars to states who refuse to require the second language to be Spanish (think No Child Left Behind). The unfortunate thing with that is so many states want the Federal funds and will cower to the lobbyists.
Maybe I just need to let go of my bias towards Spanish and accept the reality. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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KrazyInKlamath wrote: |
mithridates: Thank you for the insight.
Unfortunately, I think that when the parents and school systems finally decide that two years of high school foreign language is not enough, there will be a lot of lobbying going on to require all students to learn Spanish, these lobbyists will then convince Congress to refuse federal tax dollars to states who refuse to require the second language to be Spanish (think No Child Left Behind). The unfortunate thing with that is so many states want the Federal funds and will cower to the lobbyists.
Maybe I just need to let go of my bias towards Spanish and accept the reality. |
I never liked it all that much either until recently. I now have a biased interest in Spanish though because it's one of the only major languages that has a chance of competing with English on the world stage (Chinese is too geographically isolated to do that), and the less powerful English is in that area the larger the chance that people will listen to the idea of IALs (international auxiliary languages), and also English will be free to be the way it is, instead of being changed into a horrid konglishy-chinglishy-waseieigo kind of hybrid by the huge number of L2 speakers that don't care about spelling, article usage, or anything that makes it cool the way it is.
The only problem with Spanish is that it's not all that impressive per capita. It's spoken by a lot of people but there's no real impressive country where people really want to go to to make it big, like they do with languages like English in the U.S. and England. Sure, Spain itself is well-developed but right next door is France and Germany where you can do a lot more businesswise. Luckily Spanish is relatively easy to learn so it's still worth it. |
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KrazyInKlamath

Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Location: Gyeongsan, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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You are right, Spanish is pretty easy to pick up (and pick up again after not being exposed to it for a while) and at least where I am from there is the chance to use it. It was pretty easy to pick up for me since my mother began teaching my French when I was in elementary. Getting an early start made learning German a lot easier and has also helped in studying Czech and Hebrew.
I just wish Korean were that easy for me to pick up and retain. My brain will not retain it even though I have put a hold on my other language studies. Oh well. C'est la vie. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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KrazyInKlamath wrote: |
You are right, Spanish is pretty easy to pick up (and pick up again after not being exposed to it for a while) and at least where I am from there is the chance to use it. It was pretty easy to pick up for me since my mother began teaching my French when I was in elementary. Getting an early start made learning German a lot easier and has also helped in studying Czech and Hebrew.
I just wish Korean were that easy for me to pick up and retain. My brain will not retain it even though I have put a hold on my other language studies. Oh well. C'est la vie. |
This might help a bit: take a look at the hanja that make up most of the words in Korean and pretend that they're Latin roots. 국 (國) is nation, 제 (際) is inter, 화 (化) is -ize, and now you have 국제화 which means internationalization. 적 (的) is like -al, so 국제적인 is international. You don't have to learn the hanja just like how you don't have to learn Latin to understand how its roots work, and that often helps to have words stick. They don't always correspond to Latin roots but it certainly helps.
반(反) - anti
초 (超) - super/supra
A lot of these hanja came in through Japanese who were the major force behind taking western terms and adopting them to kanji (a lot of legal terms from France, a lot of physics and science from Germany which is why Wasserstoff is 수소 and Kohlenstoff is 탄소), and then spread to Korean and Chinese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters_for_chemical_elements |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
Wasserstoff is 수소 and Kohlenstoff is 탄소 |
That's hydrogen and carbon, in case anyone besides me didn't already know. |
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SirFink

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Those darn Republicans.
Reminds me of the Spanish imperialists who forced the native people of Mexico to learn Spanish and become Catholics at the point of a sword. When did Spanish stop being (like English) the language of your oppressors and instead become the "native" tongue of poor, oppressed people ? |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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This is very good news. Sounds like ESL will be a wide open opportunity when Obama gets in office. You guys overseas are in on the ground floor, gaining experience and seeing how it's done right.
Teaching should flourish in an Obama administration and today's esl's are in a great position to further their careers in the field of education.
Well done, sir. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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SirFink wrote: |
Those darn Republicans.
Reminds me of the Spanish imperialists who forced the native people of Mexico to learn Spanish and become Catholics at the point of a sword. When did Spanish stop being (like English) the language of your oppressors and instead become the "native" tongue of poor, oppressed people ? |
Ha.
About the same time that Quechua underwent a similar transformation from coerced, imperialist language to the autonomous Indians' last hope in the Andes, I imagine. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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You don't really expect the Republicans to speak Spanish to the illegal maids they smuggle across the border, do you? |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Haha! They are going to be soooo surprised when they find out she's been learning english from her six year old.
I like to give them something to be paranoid about.
But don't worry, as soon as they see there's money to be made on the Headhunting front, they'll be on the bandwagon in a jiffy. |
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