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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Kangnam Questions Reply with quote

What do you think is a good level of pay for working in Kangnam? I have been here for 6 years, but never considered working in that area, until now.

I just got offered a job near Maebong (매봉) station for 2.5M with a 1-8 schedule. Does this seem reasonable, or too little?

Also, what can I expect for a housing allowance in that area? I know that is an expensive area, but I have never looked at apartment prices there. I am married too, so I can't live in a one-room.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Kangnam Questions Reply with quote

movybuf wrote:
I have been here for 6 years


And you are considering 2.5 million? Seems awfully low for someone with your kind of experience.
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Kangnam Questions Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
movybuf wrote:
I have been here for 6 years


And you are considering 2.5 million? Seems awfully low for someone with your kind of experience.


What would be a reasonable offer for that kind of schedule, do you think? Some A-hole called me a few weeks ago and offered 2.2M for a 10-6 Kindy job. I am not SO clueless as to not know that is a terrible offer, but I am still a little in the dark.

Before I got married I didn't really care about pay that much. i was just happy working and making a little money. Now that I am married, I need to think about these kinds of things.
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.5 is way too low with your experience. at least "see" if they can give you upwards of 2.7. when i'm offered a salary that is too low, i counter, saying that i would love to take the position, but another school is offering me [insert desired minimum salary here] and as much as i want to accept a position based on the school's reputation alone, salary is an important component (especially since you're married). i've never had a school turn me down for an increase in salary when approached in this manner. make them think you're an experienced teacher in high demand and they'll usually react accordingly.

as for the housing, yes, the kangnam area is VERY expensive. i had a studio that was big enough for a bed and the fridge that ran me 750,000 a month. try looking in the surrounding areas for better deals.
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plynx wrote:
2.5 is way too low with your experience. at least "see" if they can give you upwards of 2.7. when i'm offered a salary that is too low, i counter, saying that i would love to take the position, but another school is offering me [insert desired minimum salary here] and as much as i want to accept a position based on the school's reputation alone, salary is an important component (especially since you're married). i've never had a school turn me down for an increase in salary when approached in this manner. make them think you're an experienced teacher in high demand and they'll usually react accordingly.

as for the housing, yes, the kangnam area is VERY expensive. i had a studio that was big enough for a bed and the fridge that ran me 750,000 a month. try looking in the surrounding areas for better deals.


I'm always leery of asking for more money, because I think they will just pass and get someone else. I guess because in my head there is competition for these jobs, but I don't think in reality there really is. I am going to bump my minimum to 2.7M and see what that gets me.

I live in Mokdong now, and it is an expensive area, too. But, if you live in certain areas it is not too bad. Is this the case around Kangnam? My wife and I went looking at apartments in Mokdong and we can get a 3 Bdr 2 bath 3/4 basement place for 20 Million and 450,000 a month. Are places like this possible in Kangnam? We have never walked around there to look at housing options.
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Return Jones



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prediction: After seven years here I can say with 99% certainty that the school will not pay more. A lot of ESL internet millionaires claim that they make 3.0+ but I call BS in 9/10 cases. In this industry quality is 2nd. Saving a few won is first for hagwons. If he asks for more money they will pass on him and go to someone willing to accept the salary they offered. Their excuse will be that other teachers only make 2.5, so they can't offer any more than that.

Prove me wrong kids, prove me wrong!
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Return Jones wrote:
Prediction: After seven years here I can say with 99% certainty that the school will not pay more. A lot of ESL internet millionaires claim that they make 3.0+ but I call BS in 9/10 cases. In this industry quality is 2nd. Saving a few won is first for hagwons. If he asks for more money they will pass on him and go to someone willing to accept the salary they offered. Their excuse will be that other teachers only make 2.5, so they can't offer any more than that.

Prove me wrong kids, prove me wrong!


My thoughts exactly!!!! Occasionally I will see a job advertised for 2.7M maximum a month, but the usual seems to be 2.5M a month maximum.

I know it is still early for October jobs, but I am already getting frustrated looking for a job. I wish forward thinking and planning ahead were part of Korean business culture, but sadly, no.
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're married and have been here for as long as you claim, why the hell would you work in a hagwon? Shouldn't you be striving for something with a little more earning potential? If you're on an F2 or F5 then there's no reason why you shouldn't be making at least 4 million a month (not working at a hagwon obviously)
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to get set up with a situation like that, but I am looking to start in October - and public after school programs are hiring for August.

Once I get a job and work for a while, then I can keep my eyes open for those kinds of things. I need to have a steady income going for a while then I can work on setting up a better situation.

Also, I have liked every hogwon I have worked for, except one. The hogwon business isn't all bad if you do your homework and pick a place that fits you.
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Return Jones wrote:
Prediction: After seven years here I can say with 99% certainty that the school will not pay more. A lot of ESL internet millionaires claim that they make 3.0+ but I call BS in 9/10 cases. In this industry quality is 2nd. Saving a few won is first for hagwons. If he asks for more money they will pass on him and go to someone willing to accept the salary they offered. Their excuse will be that other teachers only make 2.5, so they can't offer any more than that.

Prove me wrong kids, prove me wrong!


i agree. chances are good that the school just might pass on the OP. but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't try. my two years in korea have shown me that it is possible to get a higher salary than those offered. in the four or five cases i've negotiated salary (two of the positons i accepted, three i rejected), i've been able to get at least 200,000 won above the base presented. i haven't had a job working less than 2.6 legally, and never worked over 35 hours for it.

the guy shouldn't sell himself short with SIX years of experience in the country. OP - if you want 2.5, take it. if you don't, negotiate or move on.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been lambasted in the past for posting advice about salary, but I'll do it again anyway. OP, like some others on here have said, you can make more than 2.5 if you know how to market yourself. I have done this, and I have always moved up to better, higher-paying jobs in the two years I've been here. Now I work at a great foreign language high school and make over 3 million won per month. If you want to earn more than a pittance, you need to sell yourself at good hagwons. Any hagwon that specializes in SAT, AP, TOEFL, etc. should be willing to offer at least 3 million for someone like you. If you haven't taught those subjects before, convice prospective employers you can.
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