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tonyvu

Joined: 30 May 2008 Location: busan - a view of dadaepo beach from my office window
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: Starting salary for privates/hagwon |
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| 2,000,000 won sound about right? |
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joshuahirtle27

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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| I was offered 2.2 and 2.1... I"m making 2.1 before deductions. Your first year you should be making 2.0 without any trouble. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| I will be making 2.3 starting out. Plus, there are extra opportunities for more. I would not accept anything less than 2.3. |
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esetters21

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Most hagwons start at around 2.0-2.3 for a first time teacher. There are an abundance of these jobs. You can look around and if you have time, be patient before making a decision. Working hours, schedules, and age group all fit into the equation of pay. Try to do some research and make a decision that you are comfortable with. I wouldn't get on a high horse like some posters (especially noobs that have no experience in Korea) and not except less than this or that. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| \ I wouldn't get on a high horse like some posters (especially noobs that have no experience in Korea) and not except less than this or that. |
Your insinuation is insulting. Why not just come out and attack my reply directly? I don't need experience teaching in Korea to understand my financial situation. In fact, I have a degree in finance. I also have a TESOL certificate from a well respected school in America. I think I am a better judge of what I would accept than anyone else. I have vast amounts of experience in SEA countries. I have friends working in Korea. I don't rely on the whims of posters on this board to make my decisions. Instead, I rely on people I actually know.
My posting about not taking less than 2.3 is spot on for my situation. I don't know all of the details for the OP, as they were not provided. However, I can only attest to the things that I know. For me, I would not accept less than this. |
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esetters21

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| esetters21 wrote: |
| \ I wouldn't get on a high horse like some posters (especially noobs that have no experience in Korea) and not except less than this or that. |
Your insinuation is insulting. Why not just come out and attack my reply directly? I don't need experience teaching in Korea to understand my financial situation. In fact, I have a degree in finance. I also have a TESOL certificate from a well respected school in America. I think I am a better judge of what I would accept than anyone else. I have vast amounts of experience in SEA countries. I have friends working in Korea. I don't rely on the whims of posters on this board to make my decisions. Instead, I rely on people I actually know.
My posting about not taking less than 2.3 is spot on for my situation. I don't know all of the details for the OP, as they were not provided. However, I can only attest to the things that I know. For me, I would not accept less than this. |
I didn't make reference to you specifically, but if you took it that way then so be it. What you would accept is your business. You should have made mention in your post about your experience and friends that live in Korea that guide your decisions. The OP wanted to know what to expect as a beginning salary to work in a hagwon. Based upon your logic, does the OP know you (with your vast experience and TESOL) or your friends working in Korea?
Don't take things too literally or personal. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| esetters21 wrote: |
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| esetters21 wrote: |
| \ I wouldn't get on a high horse like some posters (especially noobs that have no experience in Korea) and not except less than this or that. |
Your insinuation is insulting. Why not just come out and attack my reply directly? I don't need experience teaching in Korea to understand my financial situation. In fact, I have a degree in finance. I also have a TESOL certificate from a well respected school in America. I think I am a better judge of what I would accept than anyone else. I have vast amounts of experience in SEA countries. I have friends working in Korea. I don't rely on the whims of posters on this board to make my decisions. Instead, I rely on people I actually know.
My posting about not taking less than 2.3 is spot on for my situation. I don't know all of the details for the OP, as they were not provided. However, I can only attest to the things that I know. For me, I would not accept less than this. |
I didn't make reference to you specifically, but if you took it that way then so be it. What you would accept is your business. You should have made mention in your post about your experience and friends that live in Korea that guide your decisions. The OP wanted to know what to expect as a beginning salary to work in a hagwon. Based upon your logic, does the OP know you (with your vast experience and TESOL) or your friends working in Korea?
Don't take things too literally or personal. |
As we say here in Bangkok ... mai pen rai! I didn't take it all that personally, but I did set a bottom line that I would be willing to accept. You are correct that I should have stated my rationale in my post with regards to this. It is out there now. It was just the noob comment that got to me. I fired off a quick response to it. Again .... mai pen rai ... chok dee na khap! |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: Re: Starting salary for privates/hagwon |
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| tonyvu wrote: |
| 2,000,000 won sound about right? |
For a hagwon that is low. About a year ago it was easy to get 2.1mill, now I'd say look at 2.3 as a minimum..
In public schools it's hard to get above 2.1 first time round, but they generally offer an easier schedule, more vacation and other intangible benefits which make the lesser pay a reasonable sacrifice. |
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mmarshalynne

Joined: 23 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: Other things may be as important as salary. |
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I consider myself a good negotiator. I told my recruiter I was looking for 2.4 and received one offer for 2.4. As to my qualifications, I have a graduate degree and experience teaching Business & Technical Writing at a college in the United States.
I ended up taking a position where I receive 2.2 for the first six months and 2.3 for the last six months. I received 20 days of vacation instead of fifteen. I teach 28 hours per week instead of 30. My contract does not require that I am at the school more than 30 hours per week total including prep time. I made changes to the contract and asked that they be accepted. Not only did they accept the changes, but they also stated that the changes were improvements to the contract. I don't believe that they necessarily thought I was improving their contracts; but I thought it was important that they were very gracious about everything I requested. I am hoping that this is a sign of how cooperative they will be in the future.
They offered me 2.3 and indicated that they would pay me 2.3 for the entire year, but would appreciate if I would start out at 2.2 for the first six months. They indicated that this is what their current teacher is making. I agreed because 1) $100 per month isn't a great deal; and 2) I wanted to show my appreciation as my requested changes were readily accepted. When I agreed to the reduction, the Director appeared very grateful and indicated that he would remember this when in the future I made any requests. He also told me that any teaching aides that I would desire would be purchased for me promptly.
In my opinion, when you have to work with someone on a daily basis, it�s good for everyone to walk away from the negotiating table feeling good. I suppose only after I work there for a while will I know how wise or unwise I have been. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Starting salary for privates/hagwon |
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| Otherside wrote: |
| tonyvu wrote: |
| 2,000,000 won sound about right? |
For a hagwon that is low. About a year ago it was easy to get 2.1mill, now I'd say look at 2.3 as a minimum..
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2.0 is low IMO too. i had newbie hagwon friends last year making 2.2 or 2.3 a month. i'd try asking for 2.4 and settle down when they start negotiating with you. good luck |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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mmarshalynne, it would be great if you could wrap up your year and get out of hakwons for good. With your qualifications and degrees, you should be able to land a university job with less contact hours and at least tripple the vacation.
Good luck to you. |
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AussieGav
Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Location: Uijeongbu
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Starting salary for privates/hagwon |
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| Otherside wrote: |
| tonyvu wrote: |
| 2,000,000 won sound about right? |
For a hagwon that is low. About a year ago it was easy to get 2.1mill, now I'd say look at 2.3 as a minimum..
In public schools it's hard to get above 2.1 first time round, but they generally offer an easier schedule, more vacation and other intangible benefits which make the lesser pay a reasonable sacrifice. |
This is one of the most rational comments i have read in a while. I am in my third year at hagwon (although looking to move to PS for exactly the reasons stated above) I started here on 2.2 with 200,000 raise each year so 2.6. With cost of living increases etc, I think that 2.3 for a first timer is about right. 2mil with generally longer hours and less benefits is a waste of time at the moment. You probaly wont get any more but ask 2.3 and settle for no less than 2.2 i think. |
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mmarshalynne

Joined: 23 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Hakwons for now... |
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PRagic wrote, "mmarshalynne, it would be great if you could wrap up your year and get out of hakwons for good. With your qualifications and degrees, you should be able to land a university job with less contact hours and at least tripple the vacation."
Thanks. I assume that I am probably not going into the best situation, but that I can survive almost anything for a year. I am hoping during that year that I can find a job that I will enjoy. |
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GerryTulip

Joined: 14 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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28 hours per week standard, add on another 10 hours per week during intensives. You are looking at a 38 hour week for two months of the year.
These hours are by no means long compared to other jobs but in a hagwon environment with no breaks this will destroy your soul. Good luck and congratulations in advance if you last the year! |
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marlow
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Hakwons for now... |
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Thanks. I assume that I am probably not going into the best situation, but that I can survive almost anything for a year. I am hoping during that year that I can find a job that I will enjoy. |
Being on the ground to look for that better job is a big asset, too. Also, beats coming here and looking around while not working; you've got something to bring in the money, and time to find the right places. If you were only staying for a year it'd be different. |
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