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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Chinese American ESL in Korea? |
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Hi,
Wanted to ask this for a friend. She wants to teach English in Korea...she's Chinese American, born and raised in the US has US citizenship. What are her VISA options? She doesn't qualify for F4 right because that's only for Korean ethnicity? |
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mogbert
Joined: 10 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| She can get an E2 visa, which is what most, if not nearly all English teachers get, unless if you're Korean of course. |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| mogbert wrote: |
| She can get an E2 visa, which is what most, if not nearly all English teachers get, unless if you're Korean of course. |
No other options other than E2 for US citizens? |
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mogbert
Joined: 10 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| I believe there is a different visa to teach in Universities, E1 perhaps? But if she's going to teach English, I think those are her only two options. Never heard of any others for foreigners of non-Korean descent. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| she'd also have a better chance of being hired if she left the "chinese" part out of "chinese-american." koreans don't take too well to hyphenated nationalities. they might get confused and mistake her for being a chinese-born national who changed citizenship. this happened at one of my schools. the director threw a fit when a "chinese-american" teacher showed up. he had hired her under the assumption that she was "american." he fired her within twenty-four hours of her arrival for being "too chinese." (apparently, because of her looks, and the fact that she told the students she was "chinese-american," a "strange" accent - i thought she spoke perfect english, right down to the southern slang - that had before not been present, appeared.) |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| plynx wrote: |
| she'd also have a better chance of being hired if she left the "chinese" part out of "chinese-american." koreans don't take too well to hyphenated nationalities. they might get confused and mistake her for being a chinese-born national who changed citizenship. this happened at one of my schools. the director threw a fit when a "chinese-american" teacher showed up. he had hired her under the assumption that she was "american." he fired her within twenty-four hours of her arrival for being "too chinese." (apparently, because of her looks, and the fact that she told the students she was "chinese-american," a "strange" accent - i thought she spoke perfect english, right down to the southern slang - that had before not been present, appeared.) |
That's interesting...but how would they not know? I mean obviously she LOOKS asian, and funny enough she totally looks Korean...but her official papers would have a Chinese last name. Anyone that hired her would have to know then? I told her she could totally pass for Korean, but i guess her passport and visa would reflect her Chinese heritage.
*Edit what if she said she's Korean adopted into a Chinese American family?  |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese American ESL in Korea? |
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| red_devil wrote: |
Hi,
Wanted to ask this for a friend. She wants to teach English in Korea...she's Chinese American, born and raised in the US has US citizenship. What are her VISA options? She doesn't qualify for F4 right because that's only for Korean ethnicity? |
She's not Chinese-American, she's American. Born and raised in the US with US citizenship means American. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| red_devil wrote: |
| I told her she could totally pass for Korean, but i guess her passport and visa would reflect her Chinese heritage. |
Her American passport and visa for Americans would show that she is American. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese American ESL in Korea? |
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| Bryan wrote: |
| red_devil wrote: |
Hi,
Wanted to ask this for a friend. She wants to teach English in Korea...she's Chinese American, born and raised in the US has US citizenship. What are her VISA options? She doesn't qualify for F4 right because that's only for Korean ethnicity? |
She's not Chinese-American, she's American. Born and raised in the US with US citizenship means American. |
i agree. that's exactly what i was thinking when i read the post, which is why i posted the bit about a former co-worker. i would have included a response similar to your own, also, but thought it might receive a bit of negative feedback. |
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rhinocharge64
Joined: 20 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| She should probably stay clear of hogwons, some of those wonjans are completely off their rocker, and would be prejudice due to her appearance. I would advise a P.S due to the fact she wouldn't be fired in the first 24hrs. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| rhinocharge64 wrote: |
| She should probably stay clear of hogwons, some of those wonjans are completely off their rocker, and would be prejudice due to her appearance. I would advise a P.S due to the fact she wouldn't be fired in the first 24hrs. |
The wonjangnimrods won't hire her in most cases anyway... they'll see she's "not a foreigner"  in the photo she sends out. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese American ESL in Korea? |
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| plynx wrote: |
| Bryan wrote: |
| red_devil wrote: |
Hi,
Wanted to ask this for a friend. She wants to teach English in Korea...she's Chinese American, born and raised in the US has US citizenship. What are her VISA options? She doesn't qualify for F4 right because that's only for Korean ethnicity? |
She's not Chinese-American, she's American. Born and raised in the US with US citizenship means American. |
i agree. that's exactly what i was thinking when i read the post, which is why i posted the bit about a former co-worker. i would have included a response similar to your own, also, but thought it might receive a bit of negative feedback. |
So her ethnicity is not at all relevant, with regard to her seeking a foreign teaching position in Korea? |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| plynx wrote: |
| she'd also have a better chance of being hired if she left the "chinese" part out of "chinese-american." koreans don't take too well to hyphenated nationalities. they might get confused and mistake her for being a chinese-born national who changed citizenship. this happened at one of my schools. the director threw a fit when a "chinese-american" teacher showed up. he had hired her under the assumption that she was "american." he fired her within twenty-four hours of her arrival for being "too chinese." (apparently, because of her looks, and the fact that she told the students she was "chinese-american," a "strange" accent - i thought she spoke perfect english, right down to the southern slang - that had before not been present, appeared.) |
I love the way English teachers always stick together. Jesus, could you all not have said, 'if she leaves, we leave'.
I've never met such a bunch of disloyal, self-interested individuals as English teachers; there is so little solidarity at my workplace, but even so the few who have been willing to stick together have asked for changes en masse (leaving out the selfish p****ks) have had a go and we have been relatively successful actually. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
| plynx wrote: |
| she'd also have a better chance of being hired if she left the "chinese" part out of "chinese-american." koreans don't take too well to hyphenated nationalities. they might get confused and mistake her for being a chinese-born national who changed citizenship. this happened at one of my schools. the director threw a fit when a "chinese-american" teacher showed up. he had hired her under the assumption that she was "american." he fired her within twenty-four hours of her arrival for being "too chinese." (apparently, because of her looks, and the fact that she told the students she was "chinese-american," a "strange" accent - i thought she spoke perfect english, right down to the southern slang - that had before not been present, appeared.) |
I love the way English teachers always stick together. Jesus, could you all not have said, 'if she leaves, we leave'.
I've never met such a bunch of disloyal, self-interested individuals as English teachers; there is so little solidarity at my workplace, but even so the few who have been willing to stick together have asked for changes en masse (leaving out the selfish p****ks) have had a go and we have been relatively successful actually. |
ha! i can barely get some of my employers to stick by their contractual obligations regarding my own employment. your statement doesn't even offend me, i find it so funny. koreans are racist, sometimes sexist, and if there was such a word as "sizist," they'd be that, too. when i have cause to be loyal to my co-workers, i am. i am very happy for your utopian work environment, but in this business, the individual comes first (if i don't look out for myself, then no one else can/will - i've learned that quite well through experience). thank you for the brief, if futile, verbal assault, but it's difficult to defend all wrongdoing in the workplace. there's too much of it going around. i pick and choose my battles, and that situation didn't happen to make the cut. next. |
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