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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:33 am    Post subject: How will students react? Reply with quote

KICE notified all 642,583 test-takers of the individual scores Tuesday.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200312/200312020009.html

Guess what will be in the news this week and next week.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea? Good use of time?

Many high school seniors openly admitted that they would put off entering college for another year to get a higher score next time.

"I was shocked to see my score drop 10 points compared to my predicted score," a senior at Sinmyung Girls' High School in Incheon said. "This leaves me unqualified for my chosen university so I want to spend another year preparing."
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/12/03/200312030043.asp
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I here you man, but I feel this might not be that bad of thing. Most kids are too immature for univeristy life anyways, and so much depends on where they head off to party. If mean if they don't party with the right socio-economic group, then their life has be lowered a notch or two. All in all it is good for the acadamies, and the teachers who work at these acadamies. It is apart of the system, and this part isn't that bad. Having a second chance isn't all that bad.
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Good idea? Good use of time?

Many high school seniors openly admitted that they would put off entering college for another year to get a higher score next time.


Wow. This is the SANEST thing I have heard from students about the college-entrance exams in a very long time. Very refreshing outlook. Of course you should be able to try again with no shame involved. Lots of people take the American SAT's over and over before they are happy with their score.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
I here you man, but I feel this might not be that bad of thing. Most kids are too immature for univeristy life anyways...


I've found that most university kids everywhere are too immature for university life. And most adults are too immature for life in Korea.

But this, of course, is neither here nor there.

Sparkles*_*
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard one of my old students (he is 3rd year now) got in the top 200 in Korea...too bad even if he goes to SNU he won't get the real education he really really wants Sad
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The government�s decision to accept multiple answers for a question in this year�s college entrance exam is causing controversy. But things are different from back in 1965. The 1965 case was only related to some students� passage or failure of the test, so there was no disadvantage to other students. But this year, with the re-grading of test results, students� rankings can be different.

Then and now, Korea is still a republic of entrance exams.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200312/200312010030.html
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shawner88



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a simple solution to half of Koreas problems: do away with the CSAT all together. Make entrance to the University based on high school grades and extracurricular activities and an interview test such as an essay or maybe a multiple choice test based on the Univerisity program they are trying to enroll in, not general tests. This would create a better public school system and due away with the endless stress these students go through. I know this sounds too simple, anyone have any ideads to enrich this plan?
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88,

Grades, not exam, studied as key to college entrance
A similar admission system was carried out by a previous government in Korea before 1980.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/08/200303080320380239900090409041.html

For the 2005 ordinary University admission for Seoul National University, Scholastic Aptitude Test scores will take up a higher proportion than now, and the proportion of school records will be decreased. For the Regional Balance admission, high school seniors who received principal's recommendation will be selected by the following criteria: 80% high school performance, 10% documentary evidence, including recommendation, letter of self-introduction, and 10% interview. Therefore, school records may have great influence on students' University admission.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2003090967298

The CSAT is offered only once a year. Why? Tradition? Cost?

The SAT is offered seven times a year. ($28.50)
The ACT is offered six times a year. ($26.00 in U.S. / $42.00 outside U.S.)
The TOEFL is offered six times a year.
----- TOEFL computer based test: Appointments are available throughout the year, but you must call at least three days before your first-choice appointment date. Centers fill quickly, so it is best to schedule your appointment early. You can only test once per calendar month. The busiest months are October, November, December, April, and May.
The TOEFL costs US$130.Shocked Sad
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
I have a simple solution to half of Koreas problems: do away with the CSAT all together. Make entrance to the University based on high school grades and extracurricular activities and an interview test such as an essay or maybe a multiple choice test based on the Univerisity program they are trying to enroll in, not general tests. This would create a better public school system and due away with the endless stress these students go through. I know this sounds too simple, anyone have any ideads to enrich this plan?


The reason is schools inflate students grades. If you went by just their highschool grades, you would have students paying to get into private schools that inflate grades.

Don't believe it? How many university teachers here complain about students grades getting changed?

At my highschool I have to have a overall class average of 90.

It would seem the difference between 90 and 91 can mean getting into a university or not getting in.

Universities ask for the students "class rank". That is very important in getting into a university too. As if there are 45 kids in your class and you are overall in the top 5, it does show you are smarter than most of your peers, and that is what universities want.

I hate the KSAT as I have seen how it effects students. The "test culture" of this country needs to change. However I am guessing it won't change in my lifetime - or at least the time I will be in Korea.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
I have a simple solution to half of Koreas problems: do away with the CSAT all together. Make entrance to the University based on high school grades and extracurricular activities and an interview test such as an essay or maybe a multiple choice test based on the Univerisity program they are trying to enroll in, not general tests. This would create a better public school system and due away with the endless stress these students go through. I know this sounds too simple, anyone have any ideads to enrich this plan?

You got it. Look at it this way:

- 642,583 people took the CSAT this year. Let's assume 85% of
those students took extra classes in cram schools all through high
school to get ready for it:

- 642,583 students x 85% = 546,196 students

- assume 250,000 per month on cram school fees:
250,000 x 12 months x 3 years = 9,000,000 won just to prepare
for the test


- 9,000,000 won x 546,196 students = 4,915,764,000,000 won --
five trillion won -- spent by Korean families, just to take one test.

If you assume that A) the annual number of high school students taking the test, B) the annual percentage of A going to cram schools, and C) the average monthly cost of cram schools all remain roughly constant, that means that Korean households spend approximately US$4.12 billion every year, just to get ready for the CSAT.

And I'm pretty sure I lowballed the cram school fees. Imagine putting that money back into families pockets, and how much consumer spending it would translate into.
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