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hochhasd
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Need help with public school contract |
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Is there anyone out there that could post what should be on a contract for a public school and how specific the contract gets.
How specific does the school let me get on the contract to protect my interests? Thanks  |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with public school contract |
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| hochhasd wrote: |
Is there anyone out there that could post what should be on a contract for a public school and how specific the contract gets.
How specific does the school let me get on the contract to protect my interests? Thanks |
You're funny!  |
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egrog1717
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| From everything I've been told, public school contracts are pretty much set in stone... So even if they didn't protect your "interests" (If I knew what you were refering to I could look it up on my contract for you - SMOE) there would not be a whole lot you could do about it... |
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hochhasd
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Example of contract topics |
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The following are couple of areas on the contract that I am talking about:
-Apartment
-Deposit on apartment
-What utilities that I am responsible for
When it is all said and done should I have a lawyer read over the contract before I sign it?
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Example of contract topics |
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| hochhasd wrote: |
The following are couple of areas on the contract that I am talking about:
-Apartment
-Deposit on apartment
-What utilities that I am responsible for
When it is all said and done should I have a lawyer read over the contract before I sign it?
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I doubt that having a lawyer look over it will make the slightest bit of difference.
It also depends on what you mean by your 'interests'?
EPIK:
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Article 12 (Housing) ① Employer shall provide Employee with housing selected by Employer. Housing selected by Employer may be, including but not limited to, a leased house, a studio-type room, or an apartment. Any and all fees, charges, costs, taxes, expenses, etc. incurred in using the housing shall be borne by Employee.
② If Employer is not able to provide housing for Employee, Employer shall provide Employee with 300,000 Korean Won (KRW) per month, as a rent subsidy, in lieu of the housing set forth in the foregoing ①.
③ Employer may provide temporary housing until the appropriate housing for Employee becomes available.
④ Employer shall decide whether to provide Employee with housing or a rent subsidy after discussion with the employee. Once decided, Employer's decision shall not be subsequently changed during the term of Employment.
⑤ If Employer provides housing to Employee, Employer should provide appliances and furniture such as a bed, table and chairs, a closet, a gas range, a refrigerator, a washing machine, a microwave, and a TV set. Employee shall not request or demand any other appliances or furniture than those provided by Employer.
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It depends on the accomodation that you get. I pay for my internet and landline, that's it. The electricity and gas are paid for by the school. Generally EPIK will set aside 300 000 won a month for your rent subsidy, so because my apartment only costs 180 000 won a month they pay for those two utilities as well. Very sweet. This is not the same everywhere.
GEPIK:
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Article 10(Housing)
1. Employer shall provide Employee with housing. All efforts will be made to provide an apartment within walking distance to the school or near transport facilities as indicated by Employee.
2. Housing selected by Employer may be, including but not limited to, a leased house, dormitory, or an apartment. A single teacher will be provided with a one-room apartment on or off campus, and a married teacher with dependents will be provided with a residence with at least two bedrooms. Any and all fees, charges, costs, taxes, expenses, etc. additional to monthly renting fees and/or key money incurred in using the housing shall be borne by Employee. (e,g. monthly electrical, water, gas fees)
3. Employer may provide temporary housing until the appropriate housing for Employee becomes available. If Employer is not able to provide housing for Employee(or if Employee decides to find housing on their own), Employer shall provide Employee with 300,000 Korean won per month, as a rent subsidy, in lieu of the housing set forth in the foregoing 1.
4.Employer shall decide whether to provide Employee with housing or a rent subsidy. Once decided, Employer�s decision shall not be subsequently changed during the Term of Employment.
5.If Employer provides housing to Employee, Employer may provide appliances and furniture (refer to appendix 1). Employee shall not request or demand any other appliances or furniture than those provided by Employer. Employee shall take the responsibility for the maintenance and repair for the appliances and furniture provided by Employer.
6. Employer will provide Employee, for the first GEPIK assignment term only, with 300,000 won as settlement allowance within the first two weeks (14 calendar days) of working at the school. Employee shall spend the money to buy commodities other than those set forth under Article 10, item 5. |
Pretty similar here too.
SMOE:
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Article 12 (Housing)
1. Employer shall provide Employee with housing selected by Employer. Housing selected by Employer may be, including but not limited to, an apartment of faculty residence in Seoul Education Training Institute, a studio-type room, or an apartment. Any and all fees, charges, costs, taxes, expenses, etc. incurred in using the housing shall be borne by Employee. Once housing is decided, it shall not be changed at Employee�s discretion during the term of Employment.
2. Employer may provide temporary housing until the appropriate housing for Employee becomes available.
3. Employer may provide appliances and furniture such as a bed, table and chairs, a closet, a gas range, a refrigerator, a washing machine, a microwave, and a TV set. Employee shall not request or demand any other appliances or furniture than those provided by Employer.
4. Employee who is provided with housing shall pay a one-time only security deposit of 500,000 Korean Won. The security deposit will be returned to the Employee at the end of the Contract, less the last month's utilities.
5. Each Employee is provided with ONE single housing and he/she shall be responsible for all costs incurred if the move is due to his/her personal matter (e.g. - marriage, dependents, etc.).
6. When Employee wants home-stay, Employer shall offer him/her a host family and provide him/her with 500,000 Korean Won per month as a subsidy.
7. If Employer is not able to provide housing for Employee or Employee prepares his/her own housing, Employer shall provide Employee with 500,000 Korean Won per month, as a rent subsidy, in lieu of the housing set forth in the foregoing. Employer �WILL NOT� provide furniture nor key money to the employee requesting housing allowance. |
SMOE's is a little different as there is a few threads on here about it. Maybe Co-op building etc.
The contracts are pretty much set in stone. Lots of people sign them and have no problems. You do have a bit more power than Hagwons because if your school is being difficult you can take it higher to get a solution. You're more likely to have more power to change aspects of it when it comes round to renewal negotiations.
If you really want to you can fight to get the 300 000 won a month security bond taken out. It is possible. I'd be more inclined to let a PS take that money rather than a Hagwon because you'll get it back at the end of the contract. |
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egrog1717
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Here ya go...
Article 12 (Housing)
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Employer shall provide Employee with housing selected by Employer. Housing selected by Employer may be, including but not limited to, an apartment of faculty residence in Seoul Education Training Institute, a studio-type room, or an apartment. Any and all fees, charges, costs, taxes, expenses, etc. incurred in using the housing shall be borne by Employee. Once housing is decided, it shall not be changed at Employee�s discretion during the term of Employment.
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Employer may provide temporary housing until the appropriate housing for Employee becomes available.
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Employer may provide appliances and furniture such as a bed, table and chairs, a closet, a gas range, a refrigerator, a washing machine, a microwave, and a TV set. Employee shall not request or demand any other appliances or furniture than those provided by Employer.
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Employee who is provided with housing shall pay a one-time only security deposit of 500,000 Korean Won. The security deposit will be returned to the Employee at the end of the Contract, less the last month's utilities.
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Each Employee is provided with ONE single housing and he/she shall be responsible for all costs incurred if the move is due to his/her personal matter (e.g. - marriage, dependents, etc.).
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When Employee wants home-stay, Employer shall offer him/her a host family and provide him/her with 500,000 Korean Won per month as a subsidy.
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Employer shall decide what to provide Employee with housing after discussion with the Employee. Once decided, Employer�s decision shall not be subsequently changed during the term of Employment
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If Employer is not able to provide housing for Employee or Employee prepares his/her own housing, Employer shall provide Employee with 500,000 Korean Won per month, as a rent subsidy, in lieu of the housing set forth in the foregoing. Employer �WILL NOT� provide furniture nor key money to the employee requesting housing allowance.
1. They provide your apartment, aparently after having a discussion with you about housing...
2. 500k... Again, gov't contracts are pretty non-negociable (from what I've been told here and elsewhere) but I wouldn't be worried about it, because its the govenment you're sure to get it back
3. Can't rightly say... I didn't - but then again I don't have a lawyer versed in Korean contract law either... |
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egrog1717
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Lol... beat me to it and then some Dome  |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Example of contract topics |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
It also depends on what you mean by your 'interests'?
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I would have loved to change my PS contract to protect "my interests" but it was not possible. I think that's why they always drag their asses on mailing the contracts out... so there is no time to request any changes!
Things I would have changed:
1. Do summer camp for no extra pay (I specifically asked about this before they sent the contract and was told I'd get extra for summer camp!)
2. The mysterious 6,000/h for "extra duties" thing.
3. Working in elementary or middle schools (would have had middle schools taken out) |
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hochhasd
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Hosing part of contract |
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I first want to thank everyone for the information, but I have the following questions:
-When you mention "apartment of faculty residence in Seoul Education Training." Is this an apartment or dorm style apartment ?
-I prefer not to live in a dorm or studio apartment. Is there any way to get this written into the contract or removed? Do they always give an apartment? Thanks |
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hochhasd
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Could a recruiter reply about the contract |
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I would appreciate if any recruiter could give their opinion about the contract questions?
Thanks |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| DOME--Where do you live that rent is only 180k / month??? |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Easter Clark wrote: |
| DOME--Where do you live that rent is only 180k / month??? |
I also was scratching my head over that one. |
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driftingfocus
Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Location: Boston, MA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hosing part of contract |
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| hochhasd wrote: |
| I prefer not to live in a dorm or studio apartment. Is there any way to get this written into the contract or removed? Do they always give an apartment? Thanks |
Unless you're living in the boonies, you're going to get a studio apartment. It's what about 95% of us have, and you'll have to deal.
*says the teacher who has an entire house* |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Easter Clark wrote: |
| DOME--Where do you live that rent is only 180k / month??? |
I also was scratching my head over that one. |
Chungnam province. In a small city of about 35 000 people. It's the usual small apartment but perfect for one person.
A friend of mine waited until the end of the lease she had in my apartment block and found a bigger place for 250 000 won a month which the Office of Education were happy to pay for, as long as you do the leg work. |
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hochhasd
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: Regarding the apartment |
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When I say I am not looking for a studio apartment ,What I mean is I am not looking for a one room apartment. I am looking for an apartment with a bedroom, bathroom and living area. I do not care if it is small.
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