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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: No budget for camp? |
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Today after doing 9 days of a district camp, I've been informed that my 7 day camp at my home SMOE school is not giving me a budget. Is this kosher? My camp starts on Monday and I have no budget. My principal is a jerk. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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NO, it's not kosher. What are you wanting a budget for? To be paid extra? While this is not specifically stated in our contracts, it's often provided as an appreciation as money is flowing in K-land. Camp pay is provided when the principal or other person charge is kind hearted enough to share the wealth with the teachers allowing for English camp to be an English camp. An honest and appreciative person will manage the funds fairly, but your jerk principal is probably taking a huge bonus for himself and is being a jerk since he knows he is corrupt and you're challenging him by asking. I don't blame you, I'd ask about all these sorts of things too.
I find it hard to believe there is no budget and I would not take that as an answer. Ask him, "How are we suppose to run a program with no funding?" If he says there is no funding. Ask him to look further and surely a way will be found, but if not found by Monday, the camp is off. Show emotion that you really care about the camp, but that you're also upset that he didn't secure funding. (pssst, he really already did)
You have to negotiate and push for anything in order to get it when not provided up front by a generous and considerate person.
I'm thankful and happy that I've got a good looking situation here. The casino provides most of our camps funding and it looks like it's flowing. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:18 am Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
NO, it's not kosher. What are you wanting a budget for? To be paid extra? While this is not specifically stated in our contracts, it's often provided as an appreciation as money is flowing in K-land. Camp pay is provided when the principal or other person charge is kind hearted enough to share the wealth with the teachers allowing for English camp to be an English camp. An honest and appreciative person will manage the funds fairly, but your jerk principal is probably taking a huge bonus for himself and is being a jerk since he knows he is corrupt and you're challenging him by asking. I don't blame you, I'd ask about all these sorts of things too.
I find it hard to believe there is no budget and I would not take that as an answer. Ask him, "How are we suppose to run a program with no funding?" If he says there is no funding. Ask him to look further and surely a way will be found, but if not found by Monday, the camp is off. Show emotion that you really care about the camp, but that you're also upset that he didn't secure funding. (pssst, he really already did)
You have to negotiate and push for anything in order to get it when not provided up front by a generous and considerate person.
I'm thankful and happy that I've got a good looking situation here. The casino provides most of our camps funding and it looks like it's flowing. |
I asked for 50k won. 50 THOUSAND WON. That's it.
For: dice, stickers, flashcards, fly swatters, laminated bingo cards, laminated game cards, etc. I haven't spoken to anyone at my school except for my co teacher who is in Kyodae doing training, so she wont' be there. I will be the only one there, with no support.
I'm currently at another school until tomorrow, and then go to mine on Monday, when they expect me to begin teaching. No one in the school speaks English besides my co teacher. This is ridiculous. Thanks for the suggestions though. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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you need to talk to your district supervisor about this - the money runs thru them -
be specific about what you need and how much, be prepared to email him a list and lesson plan.
and yes, you should be paid a little "something" for it - if it's not at your school, if it is, well, sorry but you're SOL there - anyway, ALL smoe schools have english dept budgets, like the other poster said, your P is pocketing it for his mistress or something. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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moosehead wrote: |
you need to talk to your district supervisor about this - the money runs thru them -
be specific about what you need and how much, be prepared to email him a list and lesson plan.
and yes, you should be paid a little "something" for it - if it's not at your school, if it is, well, sorry but you're SOL there - anyway, ALL smoe schools have english dept budgets, like the other poster said, your P is pocketing it for his mistress or something. |
I got 300k for working a 2 week, 80 hour district camp, but I worked about 20 hours of OT, and they're giving me 5 days off for free. I don't have time to go above anybody's head. I don't want to piss off kyo jang and lose that 5 free days of vacation.
I still don't see how they can't have 50k to spare. It's kind of shady. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind footing the bill to make my PS camp pleasurable for the students.
The only thing my PS pays for is snacks for the students and some prizes at the end. At least that's something. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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matthews_world wrote: |
I don't mind footing the bill to make my PS camp pleasurable for the students.
The only thing my PS pays for is snacks for the students and some prizes at the end. At least that's something. |
A Korean friend of mine who's an ex public school teacher says every school gets 1 million won for camp. There should be more than something. |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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money should definitely be there for camp expenses.....
like you say, the materials you need....you cant be expected to go and buy em, someone will have some money sitting somewhere for this. Ask around, tell them you need those things for your classes, otherwise your gonna do boring ass powerpoints and white paper hand outs with no fun....
this mean kids dont like it, tell parents and they complain....in the long run less kids sign up in the future...
its in their best interest to allocate 'some' money for you to buy shit. |
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Katchafire

Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Location: Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I handed the school a shopping list of necessary items. Eggs for the egg drop (along with materials to make the egg-drop contraption out of), food for two cooking days (spaghetti and hamburgers). They bought all of it - enough for 50 students.
Now the annoying thing is - of the 50 that were expected, and confirmed .... at the end of week one, only 20 have shown up in their various classes.
It really annoys me that the parents don't show the courtesy to at least phone the school in the morning to say if their child isn't going to be here.
Grrrrrrrrrr. |
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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jkelly80 wrote: |
I got 300k for working a 2 week, 80 hour district camp, but I worked about 20 hours of OT, and they're giving me 5 days off for free.
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I'm a little confused about your pay here.
The contract states no more than 20 hours / week of camp classes at regular pay, right? Does this mean you worked 20 hours OT / week at the standard rate of 25,000 / hour, and in addition to that you got 300k won? That's not too shabby!
But if you worked 80 hours for 300k won, that's slave labor (at 3,750 won / hour). |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Basically I worked about 30 hours of OT and got 300k, which is fine b/c I'm getting 5 days off for free. So it's 10k/hour and then 40 hours paid vacation that doesn't count for vacation. Does that make sense? I'm taking 11 days off but they're only taking off 6 days.
So that's fine.
But I just found out it's the district camp school that's paying me 300k, not MY school. So they're skimming the extra baek manwon they're getting from my district. They just lost themselves a native teacher for next year. |
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