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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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 Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Bush OKs execution of Army death row prisoner |
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By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
48 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Monday approved the execution of an Army private, the first time in over a half-century that a president has affirmed a death sentence for a member of the U.S. military.
With his signature from the Oval Office, Bush said yes to the military's request to execute Ronald A. Gray, the White House confirmed. Gray had had been convicted in connection with a spree of four murders and eight rapes in the Fayetteville, N.C., area over eight months in the late 1980s while stationed at Fort Bragg.
"While approving a sentence of death for a member of our armed services is a serious and difficult decision for a commander in chief, the president believes the facts of this case leave no doubt that the sentence is just and warranted," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_execution |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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But would Obama have hesitated?
I like Bush. He has that straightforward way of doing what obviously needs doing, without a second thought. |
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AliNZ
Joined: 11 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well....if that is the law of the land....
why should army perosnnel be treated any differently |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| I am not really a death penalty advocate, but I don't care if he is former military or not. A crime is a crime, and that's all. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I"d like to ask why he isn't doing anything about all the young GIs running around free and easy who have raped, beaten, tortured and killed many Iraqis? Or the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters of someone hogtied and blindfolded and hidden away to be tortured and killed secretly between runs for Subway sandwiches......
Oh I forgot. They aren't Americans. They don't count.
Let's be honest, Bush doesn't have a clue and he probably signed it without even knowing who or what was going on.
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jillbean1217
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I"d like to ask why he isn't doing anything about all the young GIs running around free and easy who have raped, beaten, tortured and killed many Iraqis? Or the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters of someone hogtied and blindfolded and hidden away to be tortured and killed secretly between runs for Subway sandwiches...... |
Ugh, not to beat a dead horse or anything...
but Bush is the one who is sanctioning all of the deaths in Iraq. I agree with the OP, that with Bush's way of thinking, the Iraquis "don't count" although I would hesitate to say that all American citizens feel that way.
What I really feel is important here is that we don't cast judgement on the American military who are currently serving in Iraq. I am an American, I do not agree with this war, however, I refuse to be just one more of those ignorant and arrogant people who believes that they know everything. A fair number of the troops in Iraq right now did not receive proper training, nor are they getting proper emotional and psychological support from the army.
What the HELL planet are you from where you think that soldiers in Iraq are running around "free and easy"? Do you even know one freakin' veteran from this war? All of a sudden, rereading what you wrote, I am furious at that sentence. Free and easy. Right. I know at least twenty veterans from this war off the top of my head. All of them have horror stories, all of them. You think that driving along and getting hit with IUDs is FREE and EASY? You think that having to determine whether or not the fourteen year old boy with a gun in his hand is a real threat or someone just trying to defend themselves is EASY? Do you seriously think that watching your friends getting blown to pieces while you deal with terrorists using children as body shields is a f*cking CAKEWALK?
Oh my god. The ignorance on this board abounds.
Have there been horrible deeds done by a few troops in Iraq? Yes. I'm not going to deny that. Lynndie England and the whole Haditha debacle are horrible marks on the US military record. I am not defending those actions. Many people make many poor decisions in high stress situations, and most, if not nearly all of them are ill-equipped to deal with the trauma they are experiencing in this war, many of them seeing combat for the first time.
So don't you DARE go making judgements on a situation that you cannot even fathom being in. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
| I"d like to ask why he isn't doing anything about all the young GIs running around free and easy who have raped, beaten, tortured and killed many Iraqis? |
Off-topic. Try to keep your anti-American rants to the right threads, mmkay? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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But would Obama have hesitated?
I like Bush. He has that straightforward way of doing what obviously needs doing, without a second thought. |
If this case is as morally black and white as you may find it, than perhaps the decision was EASY.
But if that decision was a difficult one to accept, then why isn't it natural, or even detrimental to, hesitate?
Making snap decisions and sticking with them may not be the WORST thing. But knowing that's what you do, and then not giving it a second thought; that sounds like folly. |
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