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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: Please stop giving these kinds of assignments |
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Evidently someone who teaches at a high school in Ilsan gave out an assignment to Korean high school students to "interview" a "native speaker" they meet in public and record the answers.
It's 3 questions-
Where are you from?
Do you like Korea?
What do you think of me?
I was "spotted" by a group of students while waiting in Jeongbalsam station, last week, and was swarmed by a group of high school girls. I gave a couple of interviews- until the subway arrived.
If you are the teacher that gave out this assignment STOP DOING THIS.
If you know someone who gives out assigments like this, please tell them to STOP IT.
Think about the safety of your students.
You shouldn't be putting these students in social situations with complete strangers. You ESPECIALLY shouldn't have high school age girls talking to strangers. There is a safety issue to consider, for the students.
Also, there is a consideration issue. In Korea it's considered rude to talk to strangers.
Be a REAL teacher and teach your students YOURSELF. Am I teaching your students or are YOU teaching your students? If YOU don't have the time to talk to them, why push it off on random strangers?
In the future, think about these kinds of assignments and what can go wrong. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I don't think a native teacher would include the question 'what do you think of me?' because of its sexual connotations.
I think it's a Korean teacher that is trying to get the students speaking English in order to improve their confidence and also to have a semi-realistic application of their knowledge outside of the classroom. It's also a bit of fun for the students.
If they're in a group, I don't see significant danger.
>>In Korea it's considered rude to talk to strangers.
They're learning about foreign cultures.
>>If YOU don't have the time to talk to them,....
Where are you getting this from? |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: Excuse me... |
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Excuse me...
But a lot of foreigners do not want to "teach" or "talk" to kiddies outside of our Schools.
Just like a Commercial Baker does not to have a phone call from the Bakery Factory on a Saturday night while at the Movies.
I am sure a lot of Berkeley citizens would be thrilled to have a US Army Ranger so dedicated to his job that he carries a full clipped scope rifle with full gear downtown. Right???
I am sure a Scientist working on Nuclear Energy would be walking around with uranium in his briefcase on a Sunday morning going to church, right??
What makes you think Teachers want to have anything to do with kiddies outside the doors of our perspective schools??? |
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idiotinkorea

Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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yeah, these assignments are given by 50 or so yrs old, konginglish teachers.
i ALWAYS walk around with an mp3 player plug in my ears... |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Be a REAL teacher and teach your students YOURSELF. Am I teaching your students or are YOU teaching your students? If YOU don't have the time to talk to them, why push it off on random strangers? |
wylies,
So I guess they will just have to talk to teachers the rest of their lives??????
What about these guys? Are they considered safe? Would the teacher be pushing them off "there"? http://eflclassroom.ning.com/wpage/bots
Your whole post had me chuckling and laughing. Thanks
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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I am sorry, but I have to disagree with the OP on this one. Any modern teaching approach in the ESL field would emphasize the communicative approach. While Krashen may have argued that comprehensible input is all that is required for second language acquisition, it has been widely discouraged. Swain's output theory is a prime example of this. The current methodology of TBLT also refutes Krashen's input hypothesis.
It is important for students to actively practice their English in a variety of situations. Merely showing up to class with a native speaker will not give the kind of results that any actual teacher would like to see. Instead, practicing by receiving input and producing output (interactive model) is actually much preferred to the old methodologies.
By suggesting that teachers should not engage in the types of activities that are widely supported in the field of Second Language Acquisition, you are trying to turn back the hands of time. Perhaps you don't know. Perhaps you have not had any formal teacher training. Either way, you could go through a couple of books and academic journals regarding this subject and educate yourself. This might change your mind regarding this issue.
As for a soldier being on duty when he is off ... I would expect a police officer to step in when they are off should the need arise. That would be a dedicated officer. If they did not, I would be disappointed. |
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jadarite

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I like how the OP assumes the person, if true, is reading this forum (and this thread). If you are that annoyed, leave the country, that won't be the only time Koreans come up to ask you questions. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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losing_touch wrote: |
I am sorry, but I have to disagree with the OP on this one. Any modern teaching approach in the ESL field would emphasize the communicative approach. While Krashen may have argued that comprehensible input is all that is required for second language acquisition, it has been widely discouraged. Swain's output theory is a prime example of this. The current methodology of TBLT also refutes Krashen's input hypothesis.
It is important for students to actively practice their English in a variety of situations. Merely showing up to class with a native speaker will not give the kind of results that any actual teacher would like to see. Instead, practicing by receiving input and producing output (interactive model) is actually much preferred to the old methodologies.
By suggesting that teachers should not engage in the types of activities that are widely supported in the field of Second Language Acquisition, you are trying to turn back the hands of time. Perhaps you don't know. Perhaps you have not had any formal teacher training. Either way, you could go through a couple of books and academic journals regarding this subject and educate yourself. This might change your mind regarding this issue.
As for a soldier being on duty when he is off ... I would expect a police officer to step in when they are off should the need arise. That would be a dedicated officer. If they did not, I would be disappointed. |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: |
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marlow wrote: |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
So, we are supposed to ignore what we know about Second Language Acquisition for the sake of the OP? That is foolish. Instead, teachers can provide a lesson on an appropriate way to approach a foreigner for such an assignment. It is not harassment. The OP could have easily said NO! |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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marlow wrote: |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
Why don't you exercise the white mans ability to say 'no thanks'. |
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KoreanAmbition

Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Look, answering 3 questions takes hardly any time, and if you don't want to, just learn a foreign language like Russian or Spanish and throw some jibberish at them.
The 3 questions they asked have easy answers, and I've given to different answer patterns depending on your mood.
Where are you from?
a)>>> I'm from the USA.
b)>>> I'm from Africa.
What do you think of Korea?
a) >>> It's okay.
b) >>> I get sick of Koreans talking to me in public.
What do you think of me?
a) >>> You seem friendly and your English is really good.
b) >>> You are annoying the shit out of me. F^&$ off.
Each will result in a fully-completed survey, and teach the student a lot of valuable conversation techniques, while simultaneously exposing them to our wonderful foreign culture. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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losing_touch wrote: |
marlow wrote: |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
So, we are supposed to ignore what we know about Second Language Acquisition for the sake of the OP? That is foolish. Instead, teachers can provide a lesson on an appropriate way to approach a foreigner for such an assignment. It is not harassment. The OP could have easily said NO! |
Given the number of students I see everyday compared to the number of foreigners, having these students be given assignments that require them to approach me to "interview" me would be very time consuming. Thank God it's not all teachers that give these assignments.
Any teachers with a pulse should be able to integrate communication into their lessons. |
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losing_touch

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Location: Ulsan - I think!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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marlow wrote: |
losing_touch wrote: |
marlow wrote: |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
So, we are supposed to ignore what we know about Second Language Acquisition for the sake of the OP? That is foolish. Instead, teachers can provide a lesson on an appropriate way to approach a foreigner for such an assignment. It is not harassment. The OP could have easily said NO! |
Given the number of students I see everyday compared to the number of foreigners, having these students be given assignments that require them to approach me to "interview" me would be very time consuming. Thank God it's not all teachers that give these assignments.
Any teachers with a pulse should be able to integrate communication into their lessons. |
Sure, one can have communicative aspects of their lesson. This is in a controlled environment with a focus. Real communication is something else entirely ...
A few things for you to read apparently. If you would like a syllabus, I would be happy to provide you with a list of books. Then, you could come back and argue intelligently about a subject you are clearly not trained in...SLA. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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losing_touch wrote: |
marlow wrote: |
losing_touch wrote: |
marlow wrote: |
Teaching theory is no excuse for sending students out to harass random white people. |
So, we are supposed to ignore what we know about Second Language Acquisition for the sake of the OP? That is foolish. Instead, teachers can provide a lesson on an appropriate way to approach a foreigner for such an assignment. It is not harassment. The OP could have easily said NO! |
Given the number of students I see everyday compared to the number of foreigners, having these students be given assignments that require them to approach me to "interview" me would be very time consuming. Thank God it's not all teachers that give these assignments.
Any teachers with a pulse should be able to integrate communication into their lessons. |
Sure, one can have communicative aspects of their lesson. This is in a controlled environment with a focus. Real communication is something else entirely ...
A few things for you to read apparently. If you would like a syllabus, I would be happy to provide you with a list of books. Then, you could come back and argue intelligently about a subject you are clearly not trained in...SLA. |
Just post them here.
Anyway, the success of a method does not justify all forms of implementation.
As well, why not address the problem of thousands of Korean students mobbing everything with white skin? And, if the method is so successful, why do we have such spotty implementation of it?
Actually, you should draft a letter to the MOE instead of wasting your time on me. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Although I don't see anything wrong with it, I could see it becoming a potential nuisance if it becomes a popular undertaking.
Jehovah's Witnesses are bad enough. |
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