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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: A Theory on Why "Korean Food is too Spicy" |
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This gets thrown around so much it has become (deservedly so) shorthand for a certain prevailing Korean mindset, namely that their culture and language are so inscrutable and unique that others cannot comprehend its complexity and majesty.
The Gochu seems to be a fan favorite here. The gochu and its jang are pretty hot, yes, but not unberably so. I dont' find Korean food any spicier than Mexican, Thai, Vietnamese, Indian, etc. The fact that they like everything boiling when they eat it does cause me to sweat, perhaps giving the apperance of suffering from the maeun-ness of my jjigae. But it's usually just the fact that most of their food is insanely boiling hot.
It could be comparatively speaking, though, Korean food IS spicy, especially for its latitude. Given its latitude, Korean food may have been spicy in comparison to surrounding cuisines (China, Japan) in the last 400 years since the introduction of the gochu. The pepper doesn't seem to be a big ingredient in most cuisines over the same time period and latitude, pretty much the world over. I could be wrong on this point though.
Visiting dignitaries from China and Japan were probably unused to the heat in the cuisine, leading to a holdover mentality that we still have to hear about every time we sit down for a Korean meal with someone over the age of 35. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha...Even people 35 and under keep asking foreigners if kimchi is too hot or spicy. Every time I meet a new Korean, no matter their age, I get asked if I can eat spicy food, or I get those surprised looks and "wows" when they see me eating their so-caled spicy foods.  |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I went to a restaurant ordered 삼지구이. A few minutes later my tasty grilled fish was delivered and I was delving in to it. During the middle of my meal, whilst I was tearing the fish apart with my chopsticks and scoffing my rice down, the owner came along and asked (in Korean) if I needed a fork. I looked at her and asked why and before she could finish I ate the lot and was on my way. She asked me if it was tasty and in a funny way I said that the fish was spicy and was glad not to have eaten the kimchi. She looked over and noticed that I finished the kimchi and laughed and apologised for the offer of the fork. |
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paulandamy
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't know... some of the stuff labeled "hot" is really really hot. I ordered a freaking Ramen and couldn't finish it because it was killing all of my taste buds. (I mean, I guess it's not as bad as when I rubbed habanero into my eyes after making some hell fire chili but none the less...) |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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I've always believed that the modern Korean self-perception was born during the Park Chung-hee era. The 60's and 70's.
During that time, any old claim-to-fame was blown up out of proportion to support Korean-pride and drive Koreans forward in the non-stop campaign to make "Korea, no. 1!!".
Korea's 5000 year history was glorified. Korean social culture was revered as being morally superior to anywhere else. Hangeul was promoted as a perfect writing system ( ) and Korean food was pushed as extremely healthy and so spicy that only Koreans can eat it.
Anything that added to the idea of Korea being 'unique' was pushed to the max.
So, we still get all this crap today. About 50% of the time my Korean wife and I get served in a restaurant the waitress asks my wife if I can eat spicy food. Sometimes, I'm even offered a fork. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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A little while ago I ordered sundubujiggae from a small sikdang near my place.
It came out absolutely clear, without a single bit of spice of any kind in it. I was horrified because I like the stuff because it's normally pretty hot, and told the ajumma I wanted it spicy. She was very apologetic, and brought me out some chopped peppers and gochujang, but it wasn't the same. I choked it down and have never been back. |
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Tommy

Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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My theory is they douse all their food with hot red sauce, because without it, most of the dishes are bland, or just plain taste like crap.
You ever eaten at a pizza joint in Korea? A of sprinkle of tabasco sauce is needed before every bite. Same thing at Dos Tacos - a squirt of red sauce before every bite of that taco. Kill your tastes buds much? |
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StrayCat

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Korean food is not spicy period. Korean chilli peppers are very mild indeed. This is one of my pet hates about Koreans - "It's hot", "Wow! Westerners can use chopsticks?", etc.
Still, there are lots of things I like about Korea but the food is quite dull (he says coming into his 6th year in Korea).
Thai food is hot (not the Thai restaurants in Korea - they're catered for local palates and tourists only - you need to be in Thailand and away from those touristy areas). Those small Thai chilli peppers will blow your head off. Many dishes both tasty and hot.
To be honest, on the whole - Korean food is quite bland and limited in range compared to other Asian countries where I've lived. Rant over. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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They ask that question (and act surprised) because traditionally most Westerners didn't eat spicy food. And still, the majority cannot eat spicy food the way many Koreans cannot handle sweet foods. The whiners on these forums need a rain check. You can't expect people to automatically know everyones tastes upon first meeting. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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PeteJB wrote: |
They ask that question (and act surprised) because traditionally most Westerners didn't eat spicy food. And still, the majority cannot eat spicy food the way many Koreans cannot handle sweet foods. The whiners on these forums need a rain check. You can't expect people to automatically know everyones tastes upon first meeting. |
Would a candy store sales clerk ask a Korean in America if they can eat sweet food? I think not. Reason being that Americans have not been media-fed unresearched speculation that other nationalities can or can't eat this food or that food. |
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Gollywog
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Debussy's brain
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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PeteJB wrote:
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They ask that question (and act surprised) because traditionally most Westerners didn't eat spicy food. |
Do you know anything about the history of Western civilization?
Why do you think Europeans established trade routes with Asia? To bring back spices, which were highly valued, enough to send a sailing ship thousands of miles over a risky route.
Why do you think Columbus headed west across the Atlantic? To find a shorter route to Asia to bring back spices. But he found the Americas, instead. One of the things he was supposed to bring back was black pepper. There was no black pepper growing in America, but there were these red pods. So he called them "peppers" and hoped the queen wouldn't ask too many questions.
Guess how Asia got red peppers? Columbus brought them back to Europe and from there they eventually were brought to Asia, particularly China, and then relatively recently to Korea.
Hot peppers are native to America, not Korea. To say Americans aren't used to eating hot food is just plain stupid. We just don't make EVERYTHING hot. For example, we do not generally drench our breakfasts in red peppers, as Koreans do, although we might add them to a TexMex omelette. And we don't like just red peppers all the time. I don't think you will find a restaurant table or even home dining table in America without black pepper on it. But perhaps black pepper is too hot for Koreans.
There are also bottles of hot sauce on many restaurant tables. But when I offer American hot sauce to Koreans to try, most grimace and say it is way too hot -- and I'm talking your average fairly mild hot sauce, in the Tabasco range.
Obviously, most Korean food is not really all that hot. The typical raw peppers certainly aren't; there about as mild as anything I've seen in the U.S.
Here's some American hot sauce for Mexican dishes. Maybe its too hot for you Koreans, though:
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=124096119&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=seasoning
What puzzles me is the garlic. Besides the fact that the raw garlic here seems almost tasteless, when I try cooking with it I have to add three or four times as many garlic cloves as I ordinarily would to get any flavor. Are others noticing the same thing?
Oh, and one more thing. There are other spices in the world besides red pepper.
And you can even find them in Korea, if you look hard. Here are some that are needed to make Mexican food, among others:
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=128168457&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=seasoning |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Gollywog wrote: |
PeteJB wrote:
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They ask that question (and act surprised) because traditionally most Westerners didn't eat spicy food. |
Do you know anything about the history of Western civilization?
Why do you think Europeans established trade routes with Asia? To bring back spices, which were highly valued, enough to send a sailing ship thousands of miles over a risky route.
Why do you think Columbus headed west across the Atlantic? To find a shorter route to Asia to bring back spices. But he found the Americas, instead. One of the things he was supposed to bring back was black pepper. There was no black pepper growing in America, but there were these red pods. So he called them "peppers" and hoped the queen wouldn't ask too many questions.
Guess how Asia got red peppers? Columbus brought them back to Europe and from there they eventually were brought to Asia, particularly China, and then relatively recently to Korea.
Hot peppers are native to America, not Korea. To say Americans aren't used to eating hot food is just plain stupid. We just don't make EVERYTHING hot. For example, we do not generally drench our breakfasts in red peppers, as Koreans do, although we might add them to a TexMex omelette. And we don't like just red peppers all the time. I don't think you will find a restaurant table or even home dining table in America without black pepper on it. But perhaps black pepper is too hot for Koreans. There are also bottles of hot sauce on many restaurant tables. But when I offer American hot sauce to Koreans to try, most say it is way too hot.
Obviously, most Korean food is not really all that hot. The typical raw peppers certainly aren't; there about as mild as anything I've seen in the U.S.
Here's some American hot sauce for Mexican dishes. Maybe its too hot for you Koreans, though:
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=124096119&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=seasoning
What puzzles me is the garlic. Besides the fact that the raw garlic here seems almost tasteless, when I try cooking with it I have to add three or four times as many garlic cloves as I ordinarily would to get any flavor. Are others noticing the same thing?
Oh, and one more thing. There are other spices in the world besides red pepper.
And you can even find them in Korea, if you look hard. Here are some that are needed to make Mexican food, among others:
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=128168457&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=seasoning |
It's because they sell it already peeled. Nearly all the flavour of garlic comes from its juice, which is why the rest of the world (or any country that cares about what it eats) try to use the freshest garlic possible. Using dried-out old husks of garlic that taste of virtually nothing but still make you stink is the sort of thing that a backward, peasanty people would do.
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Friends (whom are Korean) tell me most of the time that I am virtually Korean as I can eat raw fish and other weird seafood, spicy food, peppers, etc. I just laugh and think about the mentality of the waitress at the local restaurant always asking me if I can eat Korean food.
However, I thought I would add a bit of positive to the much loved negative news. When I go out my door, there is a favourite restaurant that serves nice seafood Korean style pizza. I go there a lot with other Korean friends, family, etc and the staff there know me well and when I pass they say hello to me all the time. They know I can eat like anyone else and are pretty accomodating.
Koreans are pretty ethnocentric but and this is a big but, they are really friendly when you get to know them and they get to know you. |
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StrayCat

Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Agree with most of the above. However, the 'shock' when you use chopsticks as well or better than the locals (they really do think that the average Westerner is a barbarian anyway).
When this happens ("You can use chopsticks?"), I always act totally amazed and shocked when the aforementioned offender picks up a fork or spoon and eats...
"A Korean can use a fork?" and I make a big joke of it and get them laughing too (but I'm sure they still don't see the actual point I was trying to make at the time). Oh well... |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Koreans are pretty ethnocentric but and this is a big but, they are really friendly when you get to know them and they get to know you. |
Sure. The waitresses in our regular restaurants never ask if I can eat spicy food. They know I can.
I like to think that we expats make little differences here and there to how Koreans view foreigners. |
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