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kuno808
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: big problem |
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hey all,
i am a korean american wanting to teach in korea. many ppl here advised that i get a F4 visa compared to an E2 visa. i went to the korean consulate in seattle and i was just told that i am not allowed to get either. its seems that my name is still on the family census registry and that i was supposed to renounce my korean citizenship before i turned 18 (how the *beep* should i know that) and now becuase i haven't i am considered a korean citizen and obligated to serve in the army. i read the article about the korean-american from illinoise who didn't know better and got dragged off to the military while working for a hagwon and had no choice but to serve. does anyone here know what would happen if i went for the E2 visa instead? i mean, all they would ask for is my diploma, crc, passport, etc but not the family census registry. is there any way the korean government can find me? i would do the military IF they were to pay me more (got loans and credit card bills to pay). if all else fails, looks like it would be japan. did anyone ever hear about going through lawyers to get my name removed? don't know what else to do about this. i would appreciate any advice or input you guys have here. thanks in advance! |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Worse things could happen I suppose. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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The 2005 law affects male U.S. citizens of Korean descent in different ways.
A Korean male born in Korea who emigrates to the U.S. and becomes a naturalized American citizen loses his Korean citizenship and therefore has no military obligations in Korea.
A male who was born in the U.S. and whose Korean parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth does not have Korean military obligations.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html |
Did your parents get citizenship in the U.S. before you were born? If so, no military obligation. |
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kuno808
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: big problem |
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| Fresh Prince wrote: |
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The 2005 law affects male U.S. citizens of Korean descent in different ways.
A Korean male born in Korea who emigrates to the U.S. and becomes a naturalized American citizen loses his Korean citizenship and therefore has no military obligations in Korea.
A male who was born in the U.S. and whose Korean parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth does not have Korean military obligations.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html |
Did your parents get citizenship in the U.S. before you were born? If so, no military obligation. |
no, they got their citizenship after i was born. aw man, this sucks. |
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TheChickenLover
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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It could be worse. Many gyopo have come here to teach English only to be forced into military service without any prior warning.
Consider yourself fortunate.
Chicken |
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kuno808
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: big problem |
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| TheChickenLover wrote: |
It could be worse. Many gyopo have come here to teach English only to be forced into military service without any prior warning.
Consider yourself fortunate.
Chicken |
hey chicken, you are right though. i am glad that i was able to look into it before coming over. kinda a shame though. i don't mind learning about my culture, language, and everything but won't be able to until i turn 35, or go to the army. maybe i should talk to an immigration lawyer. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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*beep* 'em all. I'd be going to Costa Rica. They don't have a military and for about $20k you can buy citizenship.
Or maybe you don't like the tropics? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: big problem |
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| kuno808 wrote: |
| maybe i should talk to an immigration lawyer. |
I suspect that might be more sound than the Dave's peanut gallery. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Someone at the consulate should be able to tell you how to get your name removed from the family registry...or tell you how to find out exactly how to do it.
Good luck.
PS: Don't be so free with mentioning the Japan option around Koreans. That might not go down well, especially these days with the Dokdo thing going on. |
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kuno808
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Someone at the consulate should be able to tell you how to get your name removed from the family registry...or tell you how to find out exactly how to do it.
Good luck.
PS: Don't be so free with mentioning the Japan option around Koreans. That might not go down well, especially these days with the Dokdo thing going on. |
thanks ya-ta boy. to be honest, i think the korea consulate in seattle sucks. they are pretty rude and not helpful at all. i was pissed. i know i put myself in this position but because they couldn;t offer any kind of advice, i told them loudly that i will go japan instead. i know the tension going on in korea and japan so i know japan is a touchy subject. i didn't care though, i will tell them the truth and if they can't help me, i will go to a country that will accept me. i saw ppls heads turn using periphial (spelling?) vision and i hope i got a rise out of them. if something can be done, i will go to the korean consulate in hawaii because they were very understanding and very patient with me. this really bites the big ding ding. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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let's see now - you call yourself a korean american yet apparently you aren't an american citizen? and you don't want to serve in the K military and want your name removed from the family registry in K; you speak favorably of Japan and not so favorably of K other than you'd like to come here to teach -
I'm totally confused - am wondering how you manage - and to think how many more of you like that are out there - !!  |
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citisenoftheworld
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
| *beep* 'em all. I'd be going to Costa Rica. They don't have a military and for about $20k you can buy citizenship. |
You can buy your citizenship there?
Wish you could do that with Korea. Would be so much easier. |
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kuno808
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: big trouble |
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let's see now - you call yourself a korean american yet apparently you aren't an american citizen? and you don't want to serve in the K military and want your name removed from the family registry in K; you speak favorably of Japan and not so favorably of K other than you'd like to come here to teach -
I'm totally confused - am wondering how you manage - and to think how many more of you like that are out there - !! |
i call myself a korean american because i am a korean born in the US so i am a US citizen and found out that my grandpa put me on the korean family census registry which means i am also a korean citizen. the US recognizes dual citizenship while korea will not. i lost my opportunity to remove my name from the family registry because i was supposed to do it before i turned 18. they told me that if i didn't remove it before i turned 18, korea will consider me a korean citizenship...no exceptions. i speak favorably about Japan out of spite there since they (seattle korean consulate) were very rude. listen, i have no qualms about serving in the korean military but i have bills to pay in the US such as credit cards and student loans sooooo if they paid me a little more to cover these costs, than i am good to go but they won't so i can't.
moosehead, before making judgement, just ask what you are confused about. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
| *beep* 'em all. I'd be going to Costa Rica. They don't have a military and for about $20k you can buy citizenship. |
You can buy your citizenship there? Wish you could do that with Korea. Would be so much easier. |
Hmm, Citisen... I thought I saw something like that a few years ago, but it might be for residency instead. A certain amount needed to be invested if you are jobless. But from what I can find, it takes seven years before you can apply for citizenship and the test is in Spanish.
(Sorry for the hijack) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| my grandpa put me on the korean family census registry which means i am also a korean citizen. |
If this means you still have relatives living in Korea, you might ask them to check out how to erase your name from the family book. It might be easier for them to handle it from this end. |
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