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joshuahirtle27



Joined: 23 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Can someone explain this to me? Reply with quote

Does someone want to tell me how it's special treatment for me to be given money in advance of payday when I need it? I mean I still worked for the time. I didn't ask for more than I deserved and I made sure it was for something I needed like FOOD or a plane ticket for my wife.

Can someone tell me how one is supposed to improve ones self professionally when there are no tools given for self improvement and no support is given?

Can someone tell me how working out the bugs of an open class and it still needing work and being willing and ready to continue to work on it is a sign that A) I'm not a good teacher and B) I have not improved throughout the course of the year?

Who can tell me WHY these people expect professional teachers from people with no professional qualifications?

Why is it that I'm given only negative feedback and no suggestions on how to fix the problem from someone who understands the culture better?

Where on earth is it acceptable to have someone who DOESN'T understand a language teach it (besides here)?

How am I not thinking of the greater good of my students by trying to get rid of my depression so I can be a better teacher? How is it selfish to ask for an extra few days to see my family, I'd settle for 3 extra?

How can I be a great teacher one month and not worthy of extra time for my vacation the next month?

And finally, how is it that it's a bad thing that I take my break time for me? I"m not paid for it so why is it essential that I spend it working?

colia spawkring!!!


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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer to all of your questions and stupid comment at the end is this:

You are a selfish whitey who can only think of yourself instead of the greater good of the Korean people you came to teach. When you remember that they as a group are much more important than you as an individual, you'll have much less crap to whine about.

Not that I believe that, but I can see someone thinking it.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to go back home, dude. Laughing
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Jandar



Joined: 11 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously if you are depressed go home.

Anxious and paranoid I can understand but depressed, don't do it here.

Come back after the therapy has taken effect.
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Seon-bee



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salary advances indicate to management that you may be irresponsible or incapable of budgeting your money. Of course, special circumstances may arise, and advances can be given case-by-case. But when someone asks for advances regularly, they're gonna say no at some point.

You can improve professionally by reflecting on your situation. At least read Teachers Guides, resource books, talk to colleagues, etc. Even if you're flipping burgers without qualifications, you can still do a better job to make a primo burger without poisoning your customers.

A work in progress may or may not be improvement. Speed of progress could be a factor.

Do not assume that professional qualifications will win the hearts and minds of students or teachers. I know plenty of BEds and MA holders who are really crappy teachers. And I was one until I got the hang of it. It takes a couple of years to get good at your job and exercise classroom management skills, even with professional qualifications.

Management doesn't have time to hold teachers' hands while walking through a minefield. Some teachers receive good advice, but they don't implement in class. Sometimes the advice doesn't work with specific classes. And you're a native speaker. That means you can and should be able do teach effectively. This is especially true with employers who has popular, effective teachers who didn't have professional quals. They could do it naturally, why can't you?

There's more to learning a language than speaking. Some Korean teachers are indeed good at what they do, namely teaching reading or other langauge skills. Teaching English in English is tough, especially to beginners who won't understand anything you say. Failure is an equal opportunity. Both native and non native speakers can be ineffective.

Maybe you weren't a good teacher last month. They were just trying to motivate you and make you feel better by saying nothing. Maybe you tried hard and it showed, but this month no one saw you making an effort. In many cases, managers just hope you'll get better as you learn the ropes. Then, months later, when you haven't gotten any better and everyone is still complaining or the complaints are getting worse, then it's time to take action: they start by moving your desk to the basement, turning off the heat or A/C, giving you the worst classes and worst schedule, delaying payment of salary, ignoring pension requests, forcing you to go to singing rooms, and denying vacation requests.

Regarding vacation, next month is December, a common intensive program season and it's highly likely that your vacation plans do not coincide with the extra classes during a busy school vacation. In fact, they're probably annoyed by the request than anything else. They have work to do and all you can think about is a trip to Thailand, nightclubbing, drinking soju, hanging out at LG Mart, window shopping at Yongsan, dating chicks, sending money out of the country, and disrespecting kimchi and Dokdo.

These are just general observations and I'm not referring to you, but teachers who may be in a similiar position.
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gazz



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its special treatment if they have given you money in advance of you actually earning it, which was good of them no matter what the circumstances.

I need a 3 some, with that K bird in the Soju add and Hermione Granger from Harry Potter, but it doesn�t mean that i am going to get it!

As for the �couldn�t I have 3 more days off�, you signed the contract didn�t you? I presume you read it!

As for bettering yourself there are so many teaching websites with people who will offer you constructive advice and give you support if you ask for it, not to mention the web in general and if you want to be really cutting edge about learning good practice in teaching you could always try reading a few books! Question

Ahhhhh so you have 'depression.'

Has this 'depression' occurred since you came to Korea, or did you have it back home (and thought you would come to Korea to escape it).

Either way I think you should think about going home because it is hard enough teaching full stop! I can only imagine what it is like having no teaching experience, going to a foreign country to teach and then working in a school where I am unhappy!!!

PS I am sorry if this reply sounded a bit barbed - but it�s just what came out from reading your post.

Good luck!
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone explain this to me? Reply with quote

joshuahirtle27 wrote:
Does someone want to tell me how it's special treatment for me to be given money in advance of payday when I need it? I mean I still worked for the time. I didn't ask for more than I deserved and I made sure it was for something I needed like FOOD or a plane ticket for my wife.


Paying wages in advance sets precedence. A precedence that will entice all other people to ask for the same.

I can understand where they are coming from. Maybe instead of asking for an advance, ask for them to help you out since you are running out of cash.
joshuahirtle27 wrote:

Can someone tell me how one is supposed to improve ones self professionally when there are no tools given for self improvement and no support is given?

What tools would you be expecting?
People improve themselves by having an education, and they often pay for it themselves ....
Improving professionally can be supported by your company, but is certainly no obligation.
joshuahirtle27 wrote:

Can someone tell me how working out the bugs of an open class and it still needing work and being willing and ready to continue to work on it is a sign that A) I'm not a good teacher and B) I have not improved throughout the course of the year?


They are just hoping for someone who knows how to do these things in advance, rather then be trained on the job.

joshuahirtle27 wrote:

Who can tell me WHY these people expect professional teachers from people with no professional qualifications?

This is a very good question.
Mainly because it is very hard to get professionals in here and the demand outstrips the supply.
joshuahirtle27 wrote:

Why is it that I'm given only negative feedback and no suggestions on how to fix the problem from someone who understands the culture better?

You better get used to that. I never ever in any job did I ever get any positive feedback. I think you are a bit spoiled in that sense. Use your brains and make amends.

joshuahirtle27 wrote:

Where on earth is it acceptable to have someone who DOESN'T understand a language teach it (besides here)?

I am pretty sure you are exaggerating just a little.
They probably can't speak it fluently, but that doesn't mean they don't understand it .
joshuahirtle27 wrote:

How am I not thinking of the greater good of my students by trying to get rid of my depression so I can be a better teacher? How is it selfish to ask for an extra few days to see my family, I'd settle for 3 extra?

Do you really think a company is a social institute waiting for you to have a nice life?
If one has to give you 3 extra days, they have to give everyone 3 extra days. 10 employees means 30 days, means a cost of about 3.000.000 won, just because you can't handle a stressful work environment.

I am having the idea that you have never worked in a stressful environment before, but I could be wrong.

joshuahirtle27 wrote:

How can I be a great teacher one month and not worthy of extra time for my vacation the next month?

Because you assume that good work entails extra reward? Even though you are paid to do a good job......
I never asked anything extra for a job well done, it is assumed that you as an employee do your best at your job for the payment that has been agreed upon.

joshuahirtle27 wrote:

colia spawkring!!!


I think you should go and find another job, and then compare it to your current situation. I really do believe that your complaints are coming from some kind of sense of entitlement.
You are entitled to what is in the contract, any extra's are upon the bosses to give.
Being good in your job is a given, it does not entitle you to any perks.
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The_Source



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Can someone explain this to me? Reply with quote

joshuahirtle27 wrote:
Does someone want to tell me how it's special treatment for me to be given money in advance of payday when I need it? I mean I still worked for the time. I didn't ask for more than I deserved and I made sure it was for something I needed like FOOD or a plane ticket for my wife.

You AGREED with them (by signing a contract) that pay day would be at a specific time. If you want to change it, and they don't want to change it but they do anyway, then they are doing you a favor.

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Can someone tell me how one is supposed to improve ones self professionally when there are no tools given for self improvement and no support is given?

The internet is your friend.

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Can someone tell me how working out the bugs of an open class and it still needing work and being willing and ready to continue to work on it is a sign that A) I'm not a good teacher and B) I have not improved throughout the course of the year?

<sigh>


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Who can tell me WHY these people expect professional teachers from people with no professional qualifications?

Supply and demand.

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Why is it that I'm given only negative feedback and no suggestions on how to fix the problem from someone who understands the culture better?

SNIP it.

Smile
Nod
Ignore
Proceed with what you were planning on doing anyway.

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Where on earth is it acceptable to have someone who DOESN'T understand a language teach it (besides here)?

I'm not that world cultured, but I seem to remember a similar arrangement in Japan.

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How am I not thinking of the greater good of my students by trying to get rid of my depression so I can be a better teacher? How is it selfish to ask for an extra few days to see my family, I'd settle for 3 extra?

How can I be a great teacher one month and not worthy of extra time for my vacation the next month?

This is the way it is in EVERY profession, not just teaching. (Unless you want to work at McDonald's for the rest of your life.)
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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i read the first four lines of your awful post and couldnt read anymore. Man up before your wife sees how much of a whiner you are, then gets with me, a real man! lol Very Happy
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joshuahirtle27



Joined: 23 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharkey wrote:
i read the first four lines of your awful post and couldnt read anymore. Man up before your wife sees how much of a whiner you are, then gets with me, a real man! lol Very Happy


I"ll do my best Razz

Now I should clarify that the only times I asked for an advance on my pay was the second month. We needed 100$ for some more food and then in like my 6th month it was the end of the month.. about 7 days before payday. I asked if they could arrange a ticket for her to go home ASAP. That had to be paid for upfront and came from my pay. It's not like it was a continuous cycle.
Quote:

SNIP it.

Smile
Nod
Ignore
Proceed with what you were planning on doing anyway

Thanks Smile



AS for the feeling of depression... it's just since I've been here without my wife. I guess it's more loneliness since I'm used to coming home to someone each night. Skype and MSN don't so the same trick.


Thanks for the insights people.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seon-bee wrote:
There's more to learning a language than speaking. Some Korean teachers are indeed good at what they do, namely teaching reading or other langauge skills. Teaching English in English is tough, especially to beginners who won't understand anything you say. Failure is an equal opportunity. Both native and non native speakers can be ineffective.


I think the OP is talking about teachers who don't understand English, not merely teachers who struggle a bit to express themselves verbally in English. Do not make excuses for 'teachers' who know - more or less - enough of the mechanics of the language to fake it but don't know what it means.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Can someone explain this to me? Reply with quote

The_Source wrote:
joshuahirtle27 wrote:

How can I be a great teacher one month and not worthy of extra time for my vacation the next month?

This is the way it is in EVERY profession, not just teaching. (Unless you want to work at McDonald's for the rest of your life.)


Yes, wage slavery sucks regardless of what type of organisation you loan yourself out to. That doesn't mean we are wrong to dislike it or that our feelings are invalid.

The thing to do is work toward independent wealth!
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Gusss



Joined: 08 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh well.. thats lifedont take it to heart.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"We needed 100$ for some more food..."

Only sissies need food.
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joshuahirtle27



Joined: 23 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
"We needed 100$ for some more food..."

Only sissies need food.


It was my wife who refused to eat Raemyun. :P

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:55 am Post subject:
Seon-bee wrote:
There's more to learning a language than speaking. Some Korean teachers are indeed good at what they do, namely teaching reading or other langauge skills. Teaching English in English is tough, especially to beginners who won't understand anything you say. Failure is an equal opportunity. Both native and non native speakers can be ineffective.


I think the OP is talking about teachers who don't understand English, not merely teachers who struggle a bit to express themselves verbally in English. Do not make excuses for 'teachers' who know - more or less - enough of the mechanics of the language to fake it but don't know what it means.


Indeed I was. I have one co-teacher who speaks pretty well and can't fathom the response making talking to him about as enjoyable as diving into a tank full of hungry sharks and I have a boss who speaks little English but is always clear about what she wants and always understands what I need.
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