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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: Reverend George Bush |
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What the hell is my President thinking? Today he was in China standing in the doorway of a church promoting the virtues of religion to the Chinese people. Has this man never heard of separation of church and state? While he has every right to go to China as a private citizen and promote his own mythical beliefs he does not have the right to do it while representing me or my country. Nor does he have the right to lock people up outside of the USA and deny them legal recourse but that is another topic. Counting the days till this uneducated mule is out of office!!!
What's next...Bush and Jessee Jackson planning a tour together or something? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: Reverend George Bush |
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| Join Me wrote: |
| What the hell is my President thinking? Today he was in China standing in the doorway of a church promoting the virtues of religion to the Chinese people. |
I thought that was illegal in China. Have they dropped the prosthetyzing ban?
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| Has this man never heard of separation of church and state? |
That is a rhetorical question, no? |
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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Reverend George Bush |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Join Me wrote: |
| What the hell is my President thinking? Today he was in China standing in the doorway of a church promoting the virtues of religion to the Chinese people. |
I thought that was illegal in China. Have they dropped the prosthetyzing ban?
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| Has this man never heard of separation of church and state? |
That is a rhetorical question, no? |
Yes, I guess by now I should know that endorsing his faith based way of life is a part of who George Bush is even if he offends a large majority of Americans who choose not to share in his fantasy worship. I just never thought he was stupid enough or arrogant enough to think the Olympics could be a venue for promoting his own personal agenda. Let's ignore the state of the US (and global) economy, which he and his administration are largely responsible for, and let's try instead to spread the good word of our Lord Jesus Christ. Maybe this is why the US economy is ruins...the man has some serious issues with priorities.
I mean come on. The economy is on the brink of bankruptcy and the country is at war. Where is George Bush? Playing volleyball and riding on the mountain bike track at the Olympics. This is kinda reminiscent of his first term where he spent a significant portion of his time vacationing at his ranch in Texas. Maybe had he spent a few less days on the ranch and a few more in the White House he wouldn't be leaving the country in its current state as he exits from office (which can't come soon enough by the way). |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Wow, another Bush-hating left-wing doofus who blames all of the world's ills on Bush. You obviously have an agenda to push.
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Yes, I guess by now I should know that endorsing his faith based way of life is a part of who George Bush is even if he offends a large majority of Americans who choose not to share in his fantasy worship. |
Calm down; I guarantee that Bush didn't offend a 'large majority' of Americans.
Dubya was NOT proselytizing. And he was NOT advocating the fusion of church and state. But thanks for twisting the facts. Bush happens to be a Christian, and he attended church because it was Sunday. Hundreds of obligatory cameras followed him there. He then said:
"Laura and I just had the great joy and privilege of worshipping here in Beijing, China... ...you know, it just goes to show that God is universal, and God is love, and no state, man or woman should fear the influence of loving religion."
"I have been meeting Chinese leaders for 7 and a half years and my message has been the same: you should not fear religious people in your society," Bush told a press conference. "As a matter of fact, religious people will make your society a better place."
Keywords: "no state, man or woman should fear the influence of loving religion."
China's constitution guarantees more religious freedoms than Iran, Sudan, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia combined; but this is not enough: today, Bush merely stressed the importance of FREEDOM.
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Nor does he have the right to lock people up outside of the USA and deny them legal recourse but that is another topic. |
Another topic indeed. Terrorists shouldn't be in prison, and Bush was responsible for the Subprime mortgage crisis.*
*You've posted a bunch of nonsense; YOU are the one pushing an agenda! You are a troll! JoinME has just beed added to the "IQ test Needed" list. |
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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
Wow, another Bush-hating left-wing doofus who blames all of the world's ills on Bush. You obviously have an agenda to push.
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Yes, I guess by now I should know that endorsing his faith based way of life is a part of who George Bush is even if he offends a large majority of Americans who choose not to share in his fantasy worship. |
Calm down; I guarantee that Bush didn't offend a 'large majority' of Americans.
Dubya was NOT proselytizing. And he was NOT advocating the fusion of church and state. But thanks for twisting the facts. Bush happens to be a Christian, and he attended church because it was Sunday. Hundreds of obligatory cameras followed him there. He then said:
"Laura and I just had the great joy and privilege of worshipping here in Beijing, China... ...you know, it just goes to show that God is universal, and God is love, and no state, man or woman should fear the influence of loving religion."
"I have been meeting Chinese leaders for 7 and a half years and my message has been the same: you should not fear religious people in your society," Bush told a press conference. "As a matter of fact, religious people will make your society a better place."
Keywords: "no state, man or woman should fear the influence of loving religion."
China's constitution guarantees more religious freedoms than Iran, Sudan, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia combined; but this is not enough: today, Bush merely stressed the importance of FREEDOM.
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Nor does he have the right to lock people up outside of the USA and deny them legal recourse but that is another topic. |
Another topic indeed. Terrorists shouldn't be in prison, and Bush was responsible for the Subprime mortgage crisis.*
*You've posted a bunch of nonsense; YOU are the one pushing an agenda! You are a troll! JoinME has
just beed added to the "IQ test Needed" list. |
Bush was elected to (and is paid to) do a job. As the President of the USA he is also the CEO and responsible for the state of the US economy. A child could figure this out...why can't you? Republicans love to talk about "deregulation" but never like to accept the responsibility when an industry goes astray (as the subprime mortgage industry OBVIOUSLY has) due to a lack of checks and balances. And yes, if the tax payer is going to have to bail them out (we currently are) then they need to be subject to regulation that ensures they are conducting business ethically and responsibly.
And while we both agree terrorists should be locked up, I think they should have the right to be assumed (and apparently so does the Supreme Court) innocent until proven to be what they are accused of and being held against their will for. In a free society, being given the opportunity to appear before those accusing you and imprisoning you against your own free will is also a nice touch (again a the Supreme Court agrees with me on this point).
And, while George may not be chasing people down the street like a crazy "Witness" in Korea, standing on the steps of a church in China and encouraging others to accept that "god" is a universal concept which everyone should accept is non the less proselytizing.
Its a sad day when those of us who are Americans sit by while a President like George Bush takes a vacation to enjoy the Olympics as our economy collapses. First he took civil liberties away, then he allowed the banks and other crooks to take our homes. What will it take for Americans to finally stand up and say enough is enough and get rid of this incompetent fool once and for all?
Finally, just because someone does not agree with you does not make them a troll...nice try however. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Join Me,
Well stated and you have every right to be "hopping mad" and not just "hoping mad" That's what got me more than anything from the get go....the lack of professionalism in the man.
He was never up to the job. Duped by others, not even a tin man. Along for the ride but at the end of the day -- a man who brought shame where it shouldn't be. Hopefully better days will be ahead but I'm not too hopeful in the other guy -- more hopeful about the American people in general once they've awoken and see where blind trust and letting things be got them.
Very dangerous playing the church card and I'm sure McCain will be throwing the word "God" into every second sentence too. Just you wait.
Ninkimboppoop. I know a troll when I sees one and you be it. Though more precisely a mole. Hope I don't have to explain.
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jillbean1217
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| "As a matter of fact, religious people will make your society a better place." |
Unless of course, you're an Islamic Extremist....or even just a Muslim in general. Then all of us Americans have the right to bomb you, subject you to discrimination in your own country (whether that is in the states or in the Middle East) and threaten you with promises of false imprisonment and no legal representation. Of course, that also means our politicians are allowed to go on air and on record stating that.
Of course, in all seriousness (because in case you couldn't tell, the above remarks were made with heavy sarcasm), religious fanaticism is dangerous in any form. We've seen that with Hezbollah, the Taliban, and of course, GW's regime. I'm going to be honest, I believe the war in Iraq is a war over oil, but has become so violent because of religious ideaology.
I also find it to be amazingly simple minded that RELIGIOuS people are what make society better. I was under the impression that it was simply people in general who made society a better place. You know, people with compassion and generosity. I guess because I'm an agnostic and don't bow down to the god of GW and Billy Graham, all the community service and monetary donations I've made (meager, because I'm a college student, but an effort nonetheless) have been for nothing.
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| Very dangerous playing the church card and I'm sure McCain will be throwing the word "God" into every second sentence too. |
People fell for GW's "Family Values" tour after having a president who lied about an extramarital affair (which is honestly no one's business but his own) but who managed to turn around the economy and the national debt. Apparently keeping your junk in your pants is the only pre-requisite for having "values", as destroying entire countries with rash decisions is merely an "intelligence error".
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| more hopeful about the American people in general once they've awoken and see where blind trust and letting things be got them. |
Although I'm sure there's a thread somewhere where my response to this would be more appropriate, it's been brought up and so I'm going to throw in my two cents...I honestly, honestly do not believe that GW won the second election. I'm not sure about the first, as my interest in politics was rather low in high school. However, I live in the good old swing state of Ohio, and I have heard the horror stories first hand of poll problems and thousands of democratic voters being turned away mysteriously. Perhaps a large portion of the American people were duped, but I find it hard to believe that there are enough people in this country who would make the same mistake twice. Similarly, I know of many hard core Republicans who have been completely turned from the party due to GW's antics over the past 8 years. Those are voters that the Republicans will never win back over. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Awright, two Bush-hating Liberals in one day! I've hit the jackpot!
Let's recap: you think that government interventions and controls are a good thing. You also think that terrorists on the battlefield should be considered innocent until proven guilty. We come from opposite ends of the spectrum.
Worst of all, and back to the topic at hand, you wrote that Bush has no right to promote freedom in other countries. I disagree with you. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised that agnostics are the ones most upset about Bush. One would think that Christians who genuinely follow the teachings of Jesus a.k.a. the Prince of Peace would be the ones most disappointed about Bush pretending to be a Christian and making Christianity look like absolute shit. If anything, Bush's actions make more of a case for state atheism than for Christianity. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Kimbop wrote: |
China's constitution guarantees more religious freedoms than Iran, Sudan, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia combined; but this is not enough: today, Bush merely stressed the importance of FREEDOM.
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Nigeria? Are you sure about including that one with the rest of those nations? Nigeria is a very heterogeneous country with a substantial Christian population (40% vs. 50% Muslim according to the cia). |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| What the hell is my President thinking? |
Assuming your basic information is correct, good question -- your diatribe notwithstanding. So, then, what was W. Bush thinking? Why did he do it? How does he explain this?
Do you know? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you love these guys that party their asses off and get all the tail they can until they are around 40, then find one women (who is Christian) and then claim to be born-again, as though they had no idea about Christianity all that time?
We all know better, but if it makes everyone warm and fuzzy to think it were true, then run with it, bushy. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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A loving wife can do that to a guy Blasphemer.
I agree that he will be trying to very hard to get his overgrown camel thru the eye of the needle come his day. Pretty hard to reconcile the sending in of bombers over residential battle zones which also housed innocent children, and stuff like that. I'm sure God ain't happy too much about that one, having heard the screams and wailing - that Georgie's decision produced. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Bush is a war criminal.
He should be in jail, as should Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, the whole gang - and I do mean "gang."
what a crock.  |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Reverend George Bush |
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Yes, I guess by now I should know that endorsing his faith based way of life is a part of who George Bush is even if he offends a large majority of Americans who choose not to share in his fantasy worship. . |
The large majority of Americans is religious. |
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