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ihateittoo



Joined: 16 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Teachers Fashion Reply with quote

I know many questions have probably been asked about the fashionable choices of being in the Korean classroom. I have seen many pictures of teachers in the classroom that seem to be dressed rather casually.

So I guess my first question is what do you typically wear in the classroom? I guess I should add that I am a boy. But gals can add here too in case others have similiar questions.

Also, is there any typical rules on beards or longer hair?

Are there many occasions where you are expected to wear a suit?

Lastly are good dress clothes easy to find in a big city such as Busan? Or would it be better to bring them from Canada?

thanks
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Teachers Fashion Reply with quote

ihateittoo wrote:
I know many questions have probably been asked about the fashionable choices of being in the Korean classroom. I have seen many pictures of teachers in the classroom that seem to be dressed rather casually.


some of them dress too casually! (which i admit i sometimes am guilty of)

ihateittoo wrote:

So I guess my first question is what do you typically wear in the classroom? I guess I should add that I am a boy. But gals can add here too in case others have similiar questions.


since first impressions and appearances are very important in korea, i think it would be a good idea for a guy to wear either a suit or dress shirt and tie for the first week or so at least. afterwards you can probably take your cues from the other male teachers at work

ihateittoo wrote:

Also, is there any typical rules on beards or longer hair?


you don't see too many korean men with beards or stubble, so i think clean cut would be a good idea (i'm not a guy, so hopefully someone else here can offer more insight into this)

i've seen guys with longer hair here, both foreign and korean, however the korean male public school teachers at my last school were all clean shaven with short hair.

ihateittoo wrote:

Are there many occasions where you are expected to wear a suit?


yup, koreans are very image conscientious. at public schools there will be ceremonies, parent's day (to watch classes), demo classes for other schools, etc.
i'm not sure about hagwons..

ihateittoo wrote:

Lastly are good dress clothes easy to find in a big city such as Busan? Or would it be better to bring them from Canada?

thanks


i'll let the guys answer this, but i've seen lots of signs for making tailor suits in seoul
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DrOctagon



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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since first impressions and appearances are very important in korea, i think it would be a good idea for a guy to wear either a suit or dress shirt and tie for the first week or so at least. afterwards you can probably take your cues from the other male teachers at work

I'm not bringing a suit. I might bring a few ties, but don't plan on ever wearing them in the classroom.

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you don't see too many korean men with beards or stubble, so i think clean cut would be a good idea (i'm not a guy, so hopefully someone else here can offer more insight into this)

Korean men don't have beards or stubble because they don't really have much facial hair. I usually only shave my beard once every week, or every other week. Shaving is a nuisance, plus I like to conserve razors which are expensive as heck (the good ones that don't mess up your face). I do shave my neck every other day though. I really hope my school doesn't have a problem with this. They probably will, but if I say I have sensitive skin and am a conservationist, do you think they'll give me some slack? Wink
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrOctagon wrote:
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since first impressions and appearances are very important in korea, i think it would be a good idea for a guy to wear either a suit or dress shirt and tie for the first week or so at least. afterwards you can probably take your cues from the other male teachers at work

I'm not bringing a suit. I might bring a few ties, but don't plan on ever wearing them in the classroom.

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you don't see too many korean men with beards or stubble, so i think clean cut would be a good idea (i'm not a guy, so hopefully someone else here can offer more insight into this)

Korean men don't have beards or stubble because they don't really have much facial hair. I usually only shave my beard once every week, or every other week. Shaving is a nuisance, plus I like to conserve razors which are expensive as heck (the good ones that don't mess up your face). I do shave my neck every other day though. I really hope my school doesn't have a problem with this. They probably will, but if I say I have sensitive skin and am a conservationist, do you think they'll give me some slack? Wink


When in Rome......
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best thing is to take the lead from your school and what the other teachers of your gender are wearing.

In general it seems that the overall dress standard is higher at a public school than at at least some hagwons. In a public school you are going to want at least to have the option of "dressing up" for special days like your open classes and some events. Suits and/or ties for the guys were general dress at my public middle school last year for at least the special days but for many of the male teachers all the time. None of them were dressed very casually any of the time. So I would have put smart casual as the minimum I would wear in a public school but would want the dressy suit option for special days.

In a hagwon it can very much depend upon the age of the students. In my kindergarten/elementary hagwon general dress standard is fairly casual ... but when there are special events like song festivals with parents teachers do dress up.

I would talk to your school about what they expect ... And then take the lead from what other people in your school are wearing. I would have at least a dress up option in any case. If you don't use it at school you can use it for personal events/activities where you want to dress up. It will in general be easier to bring it with you than to buy it here (unless you are of a size/weight that allows you to wear normal Korean size closed.
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creesschaef



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at an elementary school, so this may not apply for middle or high school teachers. Most of the male teachers at my school dress quite casually, so I fit right in.

I have never worn anything other than jeans and polo shirts.

For open/demo classes, more formal wear is required, so I do have a suit on hand.

My school has been encouraging me to grow a beard or mustache. They want a westerner in the true sense of the word. Some teachers in my area have had longer hair or interesting styles without any problems.
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some women in my hogwon have a lot of exposed skin. A lot of bare shoulders and backs....and a lot of thigh due to their hotpants!!!

If a western woman shows just an inch of breast, then she's accused of being slutty. Double standards it seems.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icicle wrote:
I think the best thing is to take the lead from your school and what the other teachers of your gender are wearing.

In general it seems that the overall dress standard is higher at a public school than at at least some hagwons. In a public school you are going to want at least to have the option of "dressing up" for special days like your open classes and some events. Suits and/or ties for the guys were general dress at my public middle school last year for at least the special days but for many of the male teachers all the time. None of them were dressed very casually any of the time. So I would have put smart casual as the minimum I would wear in a public school but would want the dressy suit option for special days.

In a hagwon it can very much depend upon the age of the students. In my kindergarten/elementary hagwon general dress standard is fairly casual ... but when there are special events like song festivals with parents teachers do dress up.

I would talk to your school about what they expect ... And then take the lead from what other people in your school are wearing. I would have at least a dress up option in any case. If you don't use it at school you can use it for personal events/activities where you want to dress up. It will in general be easier to bring it with you than to buy it here (unless you are of a size/weight that allows you to wear normal Korean size closed.


Good advice. When in doubt ASK. Use those communication skills and talk to your co-teachers, and others around you that have been there.
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DrOctagon



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Location: Chicago

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
icicle wrote:
I think the best thing is to take the lead from your school and what the other teachers of your gender are wearing.

In general it seems that the overall dress standard is higher at a public school than at at least some hagwons. In a public school you are going to want at least to have the option of "dressing up" for special days like your open classes and some events. Suits and/or ties for the guys were general dress at my public middle school last year for at least the special days but for many of the male teachers all the time. None of them were dressed very casually any of the time. So I would have put smart casual as the minimum I would wear in a public school but would want the dressy suit option for special days.

In a hagwon it can very much depend upon the age of the students. In my kindergarten/elementary hagwon general dress standard is fairly casual ... but when there are special events like song festivals with parents teachers do dress up.

I would talk to your school about what they expect ... And then take the lead from what other people in your school are wearing. I would have at least a dress up option in any case. If you don't use it at school you can use it for personal events/activities where you want to dress up. It will in general be easier to bring it with you than to buy it here (unless you are of a size/weight that allows you to wear normal Korean size closed.


Good advice. When in doubt ASK. Use those communication skills and talk to your co-teachers, and others around you that have been there.


I won't know what school I'm going to work for until I get there, so I don't really have anyone to ask. I'll just wear khaki's and button-downs/polo's like I would at my teaching job in the states. I'll bring 1 suit just in case.

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My school has been encouraging me to grow a beard or mustache. They want a westerner in the true sense of the word.

So there is hope out there! But, what is a "true" Westerner? My grandparents and my Dad are from Puerto Rico, but my ancestors come from Spain and Portugal. Telling this will probably just confuse people.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, you get the level of respect accorded to your presentation. Most western teachers dress very casually (jeans, polos). That's OK, but.... in public school you'll need to look very carefully at the other Korean teachers' clothes. And dress accordingly. A suit on your first week - and then on special days (open class) etc will help your 'relationship' with your school. It will also help your classroom management, re the students thinking you're a 'real' teacher.

Many Asians think facial hair is dirty. Only poor people in Asia wear this look. However, age related respect allows very old men to wear a beard. Your fellow public school teachers will undoubtedly be too polite to tell you about your 'dirty' face - however, if you start getting remarks like, "Teacher, you look tired" - from the kids or teachers - it's time to shave.

It can't be stressed too much, appearances in Korea are everything. To be untidy in dress is not only shaming yourself, your family - but importantly, shaming your school. Welcome to the world of 'face'.

Clothes are dead cheap in K (for small skinny people). But you may spend the rest of your life looking for 'normal' western colors and designs. (Buying Korean clothes might get you into a pin-striped purple shirt, flaming orange/yellow-spotted tie, and a shiny metallic-silver suit.) This is the much famed 'Ajoshi' look.

So bring some smart casuals with you. You can vary your look by buying heaps of $3 ties (bought at subway stations and on the street).
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nolegirl



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They expect western teachers to dress like crap. I wore nice skirts and stuff the first week but the staff said I could dress down. I then wore jeans and now I am down to yoga cotton pants and a t-shirt.

The whole Korean staff though wears heels and skirts but I am western therfore I am exempt!!

I work at a hagwon by the way.

I will probably dress up once or twice a week and then the other 3 days dress down. I guess it will depend on my mood and how much I drank the night before!!
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ihateittoo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks everyone.

this has been helpful. I guess it's all very relative and the basic 'use your head' thing seems to work like all else korea so far. I pretty much buy all my clothes from thrift stores now, and I hear those are pretty much non-existent in korea but I can cope...

oh... P/Busan please have shitty bands that I can love.
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked the same question of the teacher I am replacing. I was told that I should wear shorts and a t-shirt! I was also told not to bother bringing a suit. I suppose that this is what I will do.
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SirFink



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Teachers Fashion Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:

some of them dress too casually! (which i admit i sometimes am guilty of)


Plenty of teachers show up in shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops. Public schools might be a bit stricter, but I doubt it. You're a foreigner, so all bets are off. Green hair, tattoos, beard, pierced hoo-hah! They figure you're weird already, so don't sweat it. Even most office jobs here are super casual. If you're a Korean woman, on the other hand, then you must wear a mini skirt and frilly, Little House On the Prairie shirt at all times.
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beast



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wear a pink and green hanbok. They'll love it.
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