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chaz47
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: 2 year rule. You cannot keep a job more than 2 years. |
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Has anyone else heard about this? They passed this little gem off onto us at our last staff meeting. Supposedly according to the pension office we cannot hold a job longer than two years consecutively. Our assistant said that this a nation wide thing, not strictly for foreigners, but for everyone in Korea. I find that REALLY hard to believe.
This is going to make getting the F-5 without marrying a Korean totally impossible. According to the ongoing "F5 Shuffle thread":
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=111077
You need to work for the same overlord 5 years without making a visa run.
Isn't this just bliss?
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Not true if you work at a Hogwon or public school... doubt it is true with universities |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: I've heard rumours |
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I've heard little rumours about this being true. I don't believe it, as it hasn't been discussed here much. TESOLers like to keep some things to themselves, but I doubt this would be one of those things.
Judging by all the spaces I have on the back of my ARC, spaces that are used for consecutive contract extensions, I'd say this is bogus. Unless it's a new thing, that is. |
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gteacher
Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: 2 year rule. You cannot keep a job more than 2 years. |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
| Our assistant said that this a nation wide thing, not strictly for foreigners, but for everyone in Korea. |
LOL. In a country whre most workers describe therre position as salary men. It's time for you to find a new hagwon, sounds like your is just trying to keep from having to pay for expereinced teachers. |
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chaz47
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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They say it is a new thing. I am at a uni and a lot of the senior teachers have been there 8+ years, so they are rightfully a bit pissed. I'm only starting there now so it's not so bad... but yeah, I was happy to hear that they didn't do the 3 year house cleaning most unis do. Now it's a year worse. hahaha.
The assistant is talking about swapping us back and forth with teachers at another university. Two years here and two years there. A brand new lovely idiocy it is. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Chaz,
I have heard that some universities have a three year rule (whether it is true or not I don't know). This month I'm changing jobs, so when I went to interview at the place I'm going to work, I specifically asked if there is some kind of rule that limits the number of years you can work there. The answer I got was no, not at that specific university. She said at some they do, but I guess it depends on whether they hire people as an E-2 or E-1. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: Re: 2 year rule. You cannot keep a job more than 2 years. |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
| Supposedly according to the pension office we cannot hold a job longer than two years consecutively. Our assistant said that this a nation wide thing, not strictly for foreigners, but for everyone in Korea. |
You mean my uni is breaking the law by employing all those teachers for 3, 4, 5, or more years? I'll start my third in two weeks. Oh no! I'm a scofflaw, too!
In other words, what a bunch of hooey. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Re: 2 year rule. You cannot keep a job more than 2 years. |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
| Supposedly according to the pension office we cannot hold a job longer than two years consecutively. Our assistant said that this a nation wide thing, not strictly for foreigners, but for everyone in Korea. |
Maybe its a ploy to get Lee Myung-bak to step aside after 2 years!
Seriously, thats just plain silly. Maybe your uni has hatched a scheme to unload some complacent overpaid staff.
On the other hand, some public school programs are floating a 2-year transfer system for native teachers this year. I know because I'm one of the ones affected, having to switch schools this september. Preferences considered & benefits intact but I think 2 years is a bit too arbitrarily short.
But I'm not averse in principle. Fresh is good. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think your boss made up this rule because he doesn't want to keep employees for any more than two years. It's too expensive. I doubt that this is true. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: Re: 2 year rule. You cannot keep a job more than 2 years. |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
| Has anyone else heard about this? They passed this little gem off onto us at our last staff meeting. Supposedly according to the pension office we cannot hold a job longer than two years consecutively. Our assistant said that this a nation wide thing, not strictly for foreigners, but for everyone in Korea. I find that REALLY hard to believe. |
Maybe what this means is that the pension office will only let your Uni cheat you out of your pension for 2 years and after that you have to be covered. So, of course, you are limited to 2 years.
Such a rule could apply to everyone in Korea, nationwide.  |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Chaz,
I have heard that some universities have a three year rule (whether it is true or not I don't know). |
This is the case at my uni. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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I think there might be something to this, but I don't know exactly what.
Last year the administration department at my uni decided they were going to stop teachers who've been there 2 years or more from renewing. They said it was "the law" and I think they said it was a new law.
The department that employs us had a huge fight with the admin people, and eventually it got solved somehow.
As such I suspect that it is something to do with benefits which people might gain after 2 years and thus increased expenses, rather than a point-blank "you can't be employed for more than two years" nationwide rule.
I work for a private university by the way.
Anyone else got any ideas? Or know anything about it? Can anyone who's heard about this situation at their workplace get a better answer than "it's the law" from their boss or administration department?
If it's complete bull$hit then it seems strange that it's coming up recently. I can't think of any possible reason why they'd want such a rule.. unless perhaps they're scared the foreign teachers become 'too important' if they stick around too long?? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| They said it was "the law" and I think they said it was a new law. |
There is no law that makes them fire you after two years or three years or however many years they say you're limited to. It is a uni-by-uni policy and that's all it is. There is no national law. If there was, 80% of the foreign instructors and profs would be turfed from my uni.
It's the same old thing. Rather than tell you straight up that it is THEIR internal uni policy not to renew you after XXX years, they blame it on some phantom law no one's ever heard about. "It's the new law, so sorry, not our fault you lost this job." |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| They said it was "the law" and I think they said it was a new law. |
There is no law that makes them fire you after two years or three years or however many years they say you're limited to. It is a uni-by-uni policy and that's all it is. There is no national law. If there was, 80% of the foreign instructors and profs would be turfed from my uni.
It's the same old thing. Rather than tell you straight up that it is THEIR internal uni policy not to renew you after XXX years, they blame it on some phantom law no one's ever heard about. "It's the new law, so sorry, not our fault you lost this job." |
I understand what you're saying, but why would they want to do this?
At my uni it was the administration department that wanted to get rid of the foreign instructors, not the department that employs us. I can't think of any reason why the admin department would want to do that.. hiring new isntructors is a whole bunch of paperwork and crap for them to go through.
This wasn't an internal Uni policy up to that point, and if it suddenly was at that time it was the paper-pushing admin guys who invented it, not the Korean professors. What benefit do the administration department, who only see us once a year for a contract renewal, get by firing us after 2 years?
I could understand this excuse if the Korean profs wanted to get rid of some people but didn't want to come out and say it, but that was not the case and they fought to keep us.
I'm having a real problem understanding the reasoning behind such a policy. There must be SOME kind of reason.. what is it? There is a very very tiny increase in pay for instructors after a couple of years.. something like 80k or 90k a month or something ridiculously small, surely that can't be the reason. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Here's a phantom rumour |
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What the hell, let me throw this rumour out there. Know I just dreamed this shit up on my own just now, so it begins here, like a raging hurricane beginning in west Africa as tiny gust of wind.
Anyway....
Korean government has a secret agreement with the US government to allow US citizens to get jobs here for, at most, two years at a time. This allows those citizens to find good-paying jobs that allow them to pay off their student loans. Two years after beginning a job, Joe TESOL is forced out and John TESOL comes aboard to have his turn. Joe's loans are now paid off, so his ditching hurts no one save for Joe. John replaces Joe and the cycle begins again. It could be something akin to the PetroDollar cycle.
Could reality be something this crazy? |
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