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wylies99

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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: Later curfew for U.S. troops debuts smoothly in South Korea |
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Later curfew for U.S. troops debuts smoothly in South Korea
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=56817
By Jimmy Norris, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Monday, August 18, 2008
SEOUL � Mix one part payday Friday, one part last chance to drink before an upcoming exercise and two parts of an extended curfew.
What you get is a potentially volatile "behavior cocktail" in the Itaewon party district outside Yongsan Garrison.
But Friday night � the first time in seven years that U.S. troops have legally been able to party off base later than 1 a.m. � was relatively uneventful.
Stars and Stripes spent several hours in Itaewon late Friday and early Saturday, patrolling the streets with U.S. military police, talking to the troops in the clubs and watching some of them scramble back to the gate as the new 3 a.m. curfew approached.
The sole serious incident of the night didn�t even happen off post.
Instead, the only arrest Stripes witnessed was as military police had to wrestle an unidentified man to the ground at the Dragon Hill Lodge at 3 a.m.
Police on the scene couldn�t say what started the fracas, but the man was struggling with the MPs and shouting threats and obscenities.
The off-base club scene was mild in comparison. There, many troops still called it a relatively early night.
"I�m over 40," said Senior Chief Petty Officer Joseph Jones, deployed to South Korea for this week�s major training exercise.
"My ticker stops ticking at 1 a.m."
While popular spots like Gecko�s, the U.N. Club and Polly�s Kettle Club seemed busy at midnight, by 1:30 the military crowd began to thin out.
There were, however, still plenty of military crew cuts on the dance floor at the perennially packed Helios club.
Many of the troops Stripes spoke to were thrilled with the 3 a.m. weekend curfew, recently announced by the newest U.S. Forces Korea commander, Gen. Walter Sharp.
"We work 100 hours a week," said Pvt. Brian Leblanc, United Nations Command Honor Guard, while standing outside a club.
"You can only imagine how hard we party."
Some, like Airman 1st Class Ryan Kenward of the 303rd Intelligence Squadron, said they were using the new curfew to explore parts of Korea not open to them before.
"Now that we can stay out a little later it�s easier to come up here," said Kenward, who is stationed at Osan Air Base, about an hour�s drive south of Seoul.
Military policeman Spc. Emmanuel Reyes doesn�t expect to see much of a change for the first few of weeks of the new curfew.
He said the upcoming Ulchi Freedom Guardian exercise had some units already in a "dry status" and unit sergeants had spent a lot of time reminding their soldiers not to drink alcohol or abuse their new freedom.
"I think it�s going to take a little time for them to adjust," Reyes said.
By 2:30 a.m., the bulk of the last troops trickling into Yongsan�s Gate 10 were those visiting for the exercise.
MPs working the gate said they�d seen the heaviest foot traffic of the night a little after 1 a.m. as the garrison�s "old timers" made their way back onto post.
Also noticeable, said Pfc. Marcus Mendoza, a military policeman working the gate, was a lack of calls from Bentley�s Pub, an on-post bar he said servicemembers frequented in the past after the 1 a.m. curfew.
"On a payday weekend we usually get three or four calls a night from Bentley�s," Mendoza said.
Those coming onto post at the end of the night described their fellow carousers as moderate.
"It�s calm as can be [off post]," said Sgt. Jon King, I Corps Forward.
"No one was in a rush to get drunk and get back."
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wylies99

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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Instead, the only arrest Stripes witnessed was as military police had to wrestle an unidentified man to the ground at the Dragon Hill Lodge at 3 a.m.
Police on the scene couldn�t say what started the fracas, but the man was struggling with the MPs and shouting threats and obscenities.
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Fighting MPs is always a bad idea. They have plenty of backup. Just let the MPs slap the cuffs on you, calm down, and keep your mouth shut. They may even let you go. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Later curfew for U.S. troops debuts smoothly in South Ko |
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wylies99 wrote: |
But Friday night � the first time in seven years that U.S. troops have legally been able to party off base later than 1 a.m. � was relatively uneventful. |
It was only one night. Come back in a few months and then tell us it was uneventful. |
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nateium

Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Later curfew for U.S. troops debuts smoothly in South Ko |
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wylies99 wrote: |
What you get is a potentially volatile "behavior cocktail" in the Itaewon party district outside Yongsan Garrison.
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When do they phase out Yongsan? I though there was some plan to eliminate the base.
Isn't there some point in the forseeable future when we will not see US soldier in Itaewon anymore? |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Can a Military MP slap cuffs on a non-soldier?
They might not necessarily know who is a soldier and who is not. |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Paddycakes wrote: |
Can a Military MP slap cuffs on a non-soldier?
They might not necessarily know who is a soldier and who is not. |
In Itaeweon? No. On base? Yes. |
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hugekebab

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I dunno, maybe it'll stop the 'hour of power' (tanking in as many as you can get before the curfew) that sor tof drinking has been known to end in violence (UK's got a big problem with it) |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Those coming onto post at the end of the night described their fellow carousers as moderate.
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If only the Korean bar owners felt that way about ESL teachers. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Later curfew for U.S. troops debuts smoothly in South Ko |
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nateium wrote: |
wylies99 wrote: |
What you get is a potentially volatile "behavior cocktail" in the Itaewon party district outside Yongsan Garrison.
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When do they phase out Yongsan? I though there was some plan to eliminate the base.
Isn't there some point in the forseeable future when we will not see US soldier in Itaewon anymore? |
It's a move from Yongsan to Pyeongtaek.
The US and Korean governments are having problems agreeing over who is going to pay for the relocation costs. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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The US and Korean governments are having problems agreeing over who is going to pay for the relocation costs. |
bwahahahahaw
The US government ends up paying EVERY time, who are they kidding?
And Yongsan will be left INTACT for the Korean government to take over, lock, stock, and barrel. Watch, happens every time. (latest ex: Roosy Roads, PR) The only place this will never happen is Gtmo, that lease is forever.
Anyhow, the OP reminded me so much of my days at Shore Patrol in Rota, Spain. We patrolled the downtown, mostly to keep service members out of trouble, hustle them back to base, lock 'em up if we had to. No curfew there, most military lived on the economy by choice. And 4-5am disco nights were the norm. Stop by the taxi bar and we weren't getting home till 8-9!
When so many base personnel work shift work, the action is pretty nonstop. And look out when the fleet's in port. |
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wylies99

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Obviously the answer I gave was simplistic because the poster who asked the question has not been paying attention to the situation. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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I was up at Polly's Saturday night for a Bachelor Party and all the GIs there were immaculately behaved, a real credit to their country. |
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wylies99

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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The smart ones didn't want to ruin the new curfew the first weekend it was in effect. |
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Young FRANKenstein

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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
The smart ones didn't want to ruin the new curfew the first weekend it was in effect. |
The obvious smartass comment is: There are smart ones? |
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ZenMoto
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Location: Seoul / Seocho
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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It's about time they extended the curfew to a more reasonable hour...It's been cramping my style for 10 months now. Trouble makers are going to find trouble with or without the curfew...No sense in making it unreasonable for everyone. |
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