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[fromtheuk]

I don't use the current events forum very often, but I've viewed a view threads about Islam today.

I'm a Sunni Muslim and living in the age of speedy communication, I feel like I'd like to convey something meaningful.

I've from Britain/'the west' and I've always lived there. I grew up watching programmes like rentaghost, the a-team, dallas etc.

In my teens, I quite liked the USA. During those times, a rambo movie was made which stated it was dedicated to the heroic holy warriors of Afghanistan fighting soviet invasion.

At the time, the USA government was indirectly assisting those opposed to the soviet invasion. Even Reagan used to make comments supportive of those fighters. They later became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

Let me try to put things very simply. Muslims living in non-Muslim lands, like I have done for most of my life, are not alowed as citizens of non-Muslim countries, to attack their fellow citizens. As regards, Muslims who are British, that engage in terrorism, this is a case of youth getting carried away, and carrying out 'operations' which are not allowed in Islam.

If a country like the U.K. allows Muslims to live and practice their faith, they can live there. The U.K. is supportive of the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, so even though I and many Muslims hate this policy, I repeat hate the policy, we are not allowed to wreak havoc by bombing anything or anybody at all in the U.K.

Betrayal in Islam, even with ones adversaries, is a major sin. So, to clarify, terrorism in the U.K. by Muslims who are British is not permitted by Islam.

Muslims must enjoin the good and forbid the evil wherever they live, that said, it doesn't mean they can enforce it on any non-Muslim country in which they live, so this threat is truly non-existent, even though many non-Muslims are hysterical due to world events and the media's interpretation of those events.

So, first Muslims are not the 'threat within'. They cannot plan a takeover and enforce an Islamic government, through betrayal, deception and terrorism. Nor can they force their way onto others.

But Muslims are obliged to first and foremost follow their religion, and must do so wherever they live.

Islam means complete and absolute submission to the Divine Will of God in all spheres of life. There is no church or state in Islam. Islam is a complete way of life, with practical laws to be implemented.

Muslim countries are obviously Muslim, but their governments do not implement Islam in its entirety, and this is what so-called 'fundamentalists' seek.

Muslims from the 7th century until 1924 ruled under a single system called the Caliphate. The Caliph is the leader of the state.

Muslims around the globe have realized that from a religious perspective they must implement Islamic law in its entirety worldwide. In other words they must follow Islam in their personal lives and work to establish once again the caliphate.

This state would provide a worldwide Muslim nation, which encompasses all Muslim nations. The 50-odd Muslim countries we currently have, were carved out after WW2. So, the caliphate is a tried and tested system, which existed in the real world for well over a 1000 years.

The threat is, as and when Muslims eventually take control of their own resources and governments, instead of being ruled by western puppets, they will then be able to assert themselves, instead of being subservient to the west.

This is the threat which the west is desperately trying to extinguish, in vain. The so-called 'terrorist threat' is getting worse by the day, because of foreign, imperialist invasion of Muslim countries.

Historically, Muslims have invaded other lands. These are viewed by non-Muslims as imperialist. However, Muslims believe in the supremacy of Islamic law over all other ways of life, and it is their obligation to spread Islamic law all over the world. This would be done by the caliphate. This is at complete odds with 'modern day' thinking in the west.

Non-Muslim lands would be invited by the Caliph to embrace Islam and if they refused to accept Islam or to be ruled by Islam, the Caliph would invade that land, and implement Islam. To please God, Muslims must strive to see Islam implemented everywhere on earth, and they must rule with justice and fairness, purely for the sake of God alone.

Islam does not recognize the right of democracy to even exist, as defined by the west e.g. man defines right and wrong. So, Muslims are proud to say they don't even acknowledge the right of democracy because it is a pagan way of life.

The Muslim invaders would not rob, pillage or rape women. They would simply enter to implement Islam and eradicate all forms of man-made law. Muslims previously ruled for 700 years in Spain, it is widely documented Muslims treated all citizens of the Islamic state there, with justice and kindness.

Muslims, don't recognize democracy e.g. to rule by man-made law.

Western countries argue Muslims are in need of a reformation, to relegate Islam to nothing more than mere lip service. However, Muslims who have studied Islam, know they are obliged to implement Islam in Muslim countries, and then spread it around the world.

Muslims believe Islam is goodness and the western secular way is evil. Man makes laws often in conflict with God's laws, so they follow their whims, whereas Muslims seek to follow only God's commands.

Muslims believe Islam is a blessing from God to be shared with mankind. It liberates man from subservience to man, and turns them towards submitting only to God, instead of bowing down to earthly, man-made laws.

The answer about terrorism is complex. The west will always seek to meddle in Muslim countries, and until that stops, the headaches they now suffer will inevitably continue, even though they put their heads in the sand, hoping everything will change.

The west also knows that if the Islamic world were united under an Islamic government (one which only implements Islamic law), it will be bye bye Israel. That is something which is a major thorn in Muslim/Western relations.

Also, western plundering of natural resources Muslims possess, would go out the window, and the west's dominance of the world would inevitably be reduced.

For practicing Muslims, Islam is the perfect way of life, open to all mankind, because it is from God. Islam teaches only God can legislate, and we have Sharia law, which is God's law.

Therefore, in the Islamic religion, men and women are allowed to vote, but unfortunately Muslim countries run by dictators don't rule by Islam.

Islam stands for justice and fairness, even to it's enemies. However, Islam came to be implemented in Muslim countries and throughout the entire world. There is no politically correct way to say that.

So, the so-called threat from Islam in terms of Muslims residing in non-Muslim lands is non-existent, but politically speaking, on the world stage Islam is a threat to western interests, as they currently stand.

Muslims cannot force others to become Muslim at all. However, Islam teaches this religion must be implemented all over the world, and those who are not Muslim, must live under Islamic law.

As regards some comments people made about whether the USA or Al-Qaeda will win. This conflict is ideological and I don't think the west's sole representative is the USA, nor is Al-Qaeda the sole representative of all Muslims.

However, eventually Islam will most certainly prevail over all other ways of life, and the USA is digging it's own grave in the long term, by being so overtly anti-Islamic.

Muslims are certain the victory is for Islam. Muslims also believe anybody who willing accepts Islam will attain eternal happiness.

What are the superior values of Islam? The following are some examples of how we feel the entire world will benefit from the spread of Islamic values:

To worship the One True God, Allah, the prevention of insulting religion/religious personalities, the right of men and women to vote, the proper punishments for murderers, fornicators, adulterers etc., to encourage people to have sex only in marriage, to feed orphans, to clean oneself properly and regularly, to encourage women to wear clothes and be respected, as opposed to walking around naked, to prohibit all intoxicants e.g. drugs, alcohol etc., to encourage kindness to children and the elderly, to speak good or remain silent, to encourage paying charity, to be honest etc., to prohibit all forms of nationalism, racism, elitism, to advocate all people are created equal. The list is endless.

Compare that with western values: the right to do whatever you like regardless of the consequences, the right to force your daughter into a dungeon and procreate with her, the right to be openly homosexual, the right to be an open fornicator etc.

There can be no real comparison between the values of the Islamic religion and western values.

I'd like to take this opportunity to invite everybody on this forum to embrace Islam. Peace be to those who follow right guidance.

[Ya-ta Boy]

You skip over the detail that not all Moslems agree with you in the interpretation of the religion. You do give the fundamentalist view, but it is not the only one.

Another thing you missed is that it isn't only the West that doesn't show any interest in converting. There is a remarkable apathy to joining the Caliphate in China and India, South America... While Moslems may make up about 1 in 6 people in the world, that is a minority. Many of the non-Moslems have religious views quite different to yours and are not showing a noticeable impulse to change that any time soon.

On top of that, wouldn't converting the rest of the world go faster if there was a strong state backing up the drive? What state in the Moslem world is offering an attractive role model? It seems to me, if there were a good Moslem society anywhere in the world, many of the devout immigrants would be going there rather than to godless Europe.

Let me make a prediction. As Moslem states get their acts together and begin to provide citizens with worldly comforts such as just government, decent security, good medical care, the chance of a future job after training...that interest in fundamentalism will decline.

[CentralCali]

I wonder how real the OP is?

[fromtheuk]

I'm real. We have to remember America is a very young country (only a couple of centuries old), that was formed by murdering all of the native people of that region, they then went on to enslave people from Africa, and denied them equal rights until 1968.

To make people sit on the back of the bus for being dark skinned and to burn them on the cross is hardly a beacon of hope now is it?!

Not to mention, the thousands of non-Muslims the US government has killed in Vietnam, Japan, South America etc.

In Islam, we are proud to have a non-racist belief system.

[On the other hand]

[CentralCali]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I've always been curious about the East African slave trade. From what I've heard, it was no picnic for the victims. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

[Justin Hale]

[wannago]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I think the OP is real because the first part is pretty incoherent and poorly written. A troll would do a better job of organizing the background story. The lack of self-awareness is also pretty low and I think a troll would handle that better. On the other hand, it could be an inept troll.

[davyteacher]

Any c@nt who wants to blow up any parts of the UK should be hung by the b0llocks.

[Kimbop]

This topic makes me want to gag. You support sharia law and adocate a caliphate? Islam is perfect in which way: in the 'no kite-flying' laws that were in afghanistan, or in the public beheadings in Saudi Arabia? Sorry, but most of the civilized free world disagrees with you! We like wearing swimsuits at the beach and drinking beers at the end of a long week! We regard gays as human beings! We like music and dancing! We feel that Israel as a nation has the right to exist! We regard women as equals!

Why do you spend time in the UK? Why are you in Korea teaching English? Go live in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or Iran! I DARE you! If you truly beleive in Islamic fundamentalism, practice what you preach!

This is actually a moot discussion. There are plenty of Islamic whackos in the middle east, but even more young people in Iran and Saudi Arabia are starting to realize what freedom has to offer. They are realising the nonsense of fundamentalist religion. DO yourself a favor uk: embrace and proliferate atheism, and spare thousands of lives!

[fromtheuk]

Predictable responses as usual. I'm in Korea because they don't have a guantanamo bay where innocent people languish, without any charge or evidence against them, detained and tortured on just mere suspicion. As a Muslim, I am not harrassed, and that's why I prefer to be here.

I'm in Korea teaching Engish because I want to, and it's none of your business. Why don't you go back to the west, build a dungeon and put your kids there? That's what you all do anyway, right?!!

The civilized world are a bunch of uncivilized pagans.

As regards a lack of self-awareness, it's western governments who are responsible for killing thousands of Muslims worlwide through sanctions and bombs.

Ya-ta boy - Are you aware of how incredibly hated your governments are? I suppose not, because you're truly self-aware, aren't you.

[Kimbop]

[nicholas_chiasson]