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 Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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So what is up with Asian Presidents (Prime Ministers, etc)? I just saw that the Prime Minister of Japan is going to step down. He took the place of the guy before him who also stepped down. Right now Thais are trying to toss out their Prime Minister and the guy before him had to flee the country and is still on the run.
The current President of Korea has like a 20% approval rating and Koreans rioted against him all summer. The President before him was about equally as popular.
Now Bush certainly isn't loved, but even for all his flaws most people liked Clinton (most normal people anyway). Is the problem that Asians are never satisfied or do their leaders just suck that much? |
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sojourner1
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They can't lead because they're put in the cushy executive job based on who they know, not what they know. It's kinda like you don't become a king because you'd make a good king, but because you inherit the job. Nepotism is what determines who is executive and who is not; not who is educated, skilled, and capable of leadership. This is common the world over. The concept of executive leadership severely needs an overhaul in most places as today's system is not doing anyone outside their small secretive circles any good.
Due to top end corruptions and debacles the world over, we could title this thread as "Why can't today's executive leaders around the world lead?" |
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waywardwanderer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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When you ask the question, "Why can't Asian Leaders lead?" Are you referring to news or history? If you are talking about recent events you skew the issue. Keep in mind what most Asian countries refer to as news (100 - 300 years), North America refers to as history.
And what about some of the leaders in Asia in the last 50 years? Lee Kwan Yu? His reforms, bilingual policy, environmental policy, and hard line stance on crime have made Singapore a much more desirable place to live than many cities in North America. Corizano Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Nakasone...several other great reformers whose efforts lead to economic booms in their respective countries.
How do you define what is a "great leader"? Many would consider Mao as a great leader.....others might say Mahatma Ghandi---both Asian. |
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ursus_rex
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Was Ghandi a leader, in the political sense? Just an aside. |
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Paddycakes
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| They can't lead because they're put in the cushy executive job based on who they know, not what they know. |
This would also explain George Bush. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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| waywardwanderer wrote: |
When you ask the question, "Why can't Asian Leaders lead?" Are you referring to news or history? If you are talking about recent events you skew the issue. Keep in mind what most Asian countries refer to as news (100 - 300 years), North America refers to as history.
And what about some of the leaders in Asia in the last 50 years? Lee Kwan Yu? His reforms, bilingual policy, environmental policy, and hard line stance on crime have made Singapore a much more desirable place to live than many cities in North America. Corizano Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Nakasone...several other great reformers whose efforts lead to economic booms in their respective countries.
How do you define what is a "great leader"? Many would consider Mao as a great leader.....others might say Mahatma Ghandi---both Asian. |
I live in the day. I could have brought up examples of John F. Kennedy and Abe Lincoln but I don't think they are really relevant to the modern age (nor am I sure either could be a successful leader in this period in time). |
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waywardwanderer
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waywardwanderer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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| nor am I sure either could be a successful leader in this period in time). |
In the interest of friendly debate, what is your criteria/definition of "great" and "successful" for a leader? |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Ghandi did not hold political office. He was an activist. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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| waywardwanderer wrote: |
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| nor am I sure either could be a successful leader in this period in time). |
In the interest of friendly debate, what is your criteria/definition of "great" and "successful" for a leader? |
Well for starters, Bush would be my definition of "UNsuccessful." Having said that at least he managed to make it to the finish line. The reason I started this thread is because I am really wondering what kind of leader can't even last 12 months (the last 2 Japanese PMs haven't). I mean come on. By the twelve month point your butt has even left an impression in the chair yet. |
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waywardwanderer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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Well for starters, Bush would be my definition of "UNsuccessful." Having said that at least he managed to make it to the finish line. The reason I started this thread is because I am really wondering what kind of leader can't even last 12 months (the last 2 Japanese PMs haven't). I mean come on. By the twelve month point your butt has even left an impression in the chair yet. |
In retrospect, do wish Bush had stepped down before the finish line? Is it better to have a person in leadership that can't do the job or one who has the wisdom to know when it is time to relinquish the post? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't Asian Leaders Lead? |
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| waywardwanderer wrote: |
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Well for starters, Bush would be my definition of "UNsuccessful." Having said that at least he managed to make it to the finish line. The reason I started this thread is because I am really wondering what kind of leader can't even last 12 months (the last 2 Japanese PMs haven't). I mean come on. By the twelve month point your butt has even left an impression in the chair yet. |
In retrospect, do wish Bush had stepped down before the finish line? Is it better to have a person in leadership that can't do the job or one who has the wisdom to know when it is time to relinquish the post? |
Four years should have been enough for Bush to realize he wasn't up to the job. But, it does take more than twelve months to get anything done and see if there are any results from it. |
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bangbayed
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| I think we can all agree corruption and granting of political favours is not an Asian concept, hence, this thread really should be renamed. |
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polonius
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Ghandi did not hold political office. He was an activist. |
True, Ghandi never held a political title, but he his political opinion was requested on many occations. He influenced many of those that made the decisions, and therefore you could consider him a leader. If asked, I am sure the millions of Indians, Muslim and Hindu, would agree that he led India and Pakistan to their independence.
Some might also say that Mao was a tyrrant and slaughtered millions. |
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IncognitoHFX
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| They can't lead because they're put in the cushy executive job based on who they know, not what they know. It's kinda like you don't become a king because you'd make a good king, but because you inherit the job. |
Sounds a lot like the Republican Party in the US. |
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