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What's all the "V" and "Z" crap?
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: What's all the "V" and "Z" crap? Reply with quote

Spelling Korean names in English with "V" and "Z"

Anyone else have students spelling their Korean names with V and Z when it should most definitely be B and J? Or is this just something some freaky secretary at my school is doing. I actually saw it on TV, too so who knows.

Just when you thought Koreans (all 3 of them Ithat 've seen Wink ) couldn't get any worse at English, they do this stupidity. I'm sorry, her name is not Ha-Zeong and she's definitely NOT Yeh-vin. Forget what you were taught, the Korean langauge is NOT able to duplicate every sound in the world.

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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jackson7



Joined: 01 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get a kick out of the fact there are so many products or even brand names that include F, V, or Z. The LG XCanvas. The Samsung Pavv. There's a new PMP brand/line called "Viliv." Kinda cool, but sounds funny when Koreans say it. Then again, (perhaps to be discussed in a new thread) Korean companies aren't really targeting the deep credit card-laden pockets of the mighty Han, and instead are shooting for large English-speaking countries abroad.
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A2Steve



Joined: 10 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: What's all the "V" and "Z" crap? Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
Spelling Korean names in English with "V" and "Z"

Anyone else have students spelling their Korean names with V and Z when it should most definitely be B and J? Or is this just something some freaky secretary at my school is doing. I actually saw it on TV, too so who knows.

Just when you thought Koreans (all 3 of them Ithat 've seen Wink ) couldn't get any worse at English, they do this stupidity. I'm sorry, her name is not Ha-Zeong and she's definitely NOT Yeh-vin. Forget what you were taught, the Korean langauge is NOT able to duplicate every sound in the world.

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


anyone else know any English teachers who have no clue how language ability actually works, and how different phonemes are misinterpreted sometimes by different cultures?

on a related note, you should try and set up a date with nolegirl. you two seemed born for each other. even if you aren't a newbie. or a guy for that matter.....

also, you may want to read a book or ten by a Chomsky.
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JustJohn



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The product thing doesn't bother me so much, but writing korean like "zazeongmyeon" drives me nuts. As if the romanization systems weren't screwed up enough already...
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the "V" and "Z" crap? Reply with quote

A2Steve wrote:
Newbie wrote:
Spelling Korean names in English with "V" and "Z"

Anyone else have students spelling their Korean names with V and Z when it should most definitely be B and J? Or is this just something some freaky secretary at my school is doing. I actually saw it on TV, too so who knows.

Just when you thought Koreans (all 3 of them Ithat 've seen Wink ) couldn't get any worse at English, they do this stupidity. I'm sorry, her name is not Ha-Zeong and she's definitely NOT Yeh-vin. Forget what you were taught, the Korean langauge is NOT able to duplicate every sound in the world.

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


anyone else know any English teachers who have no clue how language ability actually works, and how different phonemes are misinterpreted sometimes by different cultures?

on a related note, you should try and set up a date with nolegirl. you two seemed born for each other. even if you aren't a newbie. or a guy for that matter.....

also, you may want to read a book or ten by a Chomsky.


You don't know anything about Korea, Koreans, or the Korean language, do you?

Time to shut up.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On another note, I bet all the Gims and Barks in Busan, Gorea would be happy if they continued dropping all the hard consonants like they have been doing with place names.
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cazzy3



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it could just be a case of needing to identify 2 students who share the same name which is fairly common in korea. the government tried to implement a standard romanization of korean words but it basically got ignored.

just to let you know how ridiculous it is 강릉 can be spelled Gangnung, Gangneung, Kangnung, Kangreung, Kangneung. I've seen 'em all!!

of all the things to get irate about, i don't see why this would bother someone too much though.
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
On another note, I bet all the Gims and Barks in Busan, Gorea would be happy if they continued dropping all the hard consonants like they have been doing with place names.


See, these I have no problem with. The K/G in Korea is very interchangeable in English writing.

But doing Z for the J?? Ridiculous and nothing but a product of that stupid current in Korean society that teaches Hangeul can do all, and as a result, English Z does in fact sound like Korean J/Ch. Give it up. Some sounds your language can't make. Can't even come close to making.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, a bit strange, like a jebra playing a biolin.
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nolegirl



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live right behind Hotel Provista and my school said it was a big hotel so taxi drivers should know the name. No taxi driver ever knew what I was talking about. I would be like Hotelughhh Provistaughhh, nothing!!

Is it becuse the v is in the title or maybe the hotel isn't that well known??
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clear up: If I say the word "zoo" and some student writes, "joo", I laugh to myself and understand their problem. It's only the reverse that bugs me, like someone who mentioned writing jajangmyeon, as zazangmyeon. Why write the name Ji-young as Zi-young when J is so obviously the correct letter.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nolegirl wrote:
I live right behind Hotel Provista and my school said it was a big hotel so taxi drivers should know the name. No taxi driver ever knew what I was talking about. I would be like Hotelughhh Provistaughhh, nothing!!

Is it becuse the v is in the title or maybe the hotel isn't that well known??


Say it like hotel-uh pro bista and add a "ga ju say yo" on the end
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It happens in English too. Some people say "turlet" in New York b/c they've been conditioned to think that New Yorkers say "oi" when it should be "ur", so they overcompensate for phonemes that should actually be "oi". There's a sociolinguistic term for it, but I done foigot.
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it could just be a case of needing to identify 2 students who share the same name which is fairly common in korea.


That pegs a big chunk of it right there. No different than some kids who choose 'crazy' Engrish nicknames, or how students alter their uniforms or accessorize them.

Business also need to stand out, and are catching on - that "zazeongmyeon" may drive you nuts, but I ill catch a korean's eye/attention - like the way wordplays are sometimes done with numbers (can't remember the chain, but ~~92, where 9 2 stood for 'gu ee, or roasted, comes to mind).

Finally - I know there are? were? a couple of ad/marketing people here on the board before - certain numbers & letters have more 'power' in them for presentation purposes. Happens all the time with cars, electronics, military hardware, etc. R,V,S,Z - there are a number of them. Someone else here knows/can explain that part better.

G.
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of marketing, Artie Buco claims products starting with the letter V make people think of 'vagina' and are therefore less likely to buy.
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