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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: |
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So is this a good or bad thing?
I'm not really knowledgable about internatonal economics/ |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Well, think about it.. Common sense. "Debitor" is debt a good thing or a bad thing.. There you go it answers your question..
Net Debitor is a bad thing.. Net Lender is where you want to be at. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I mean specifics.
So does South Korea borrow a lot of foreign capital? Who do they borrow it from? And why do they need to borrow it in the first place?
I'm about to watch the documentary I.O.U.S.A. so perhaps I will get a better sense of things. |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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What is "Debitor" exactly Temporary? Is it "Debitor Does Dallas" or something along those lines? |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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You'll notice a lot of companies don't loan out their profits but reinvest them and borrow more. Do you loan out your money (becoming a net lender) or borrow money and buy a house and car? Would you rather your nation lend your tax dollars to Africa or reinvest them and borrow more money to build you things like roads, subways, and nuclear power plants?
Being a net lender says little. If you're lending money out instead of building infrastructure that's probably a very bad thing, especially if you're lending to nations who might not pay you back. If you're borrowing money to build new gas fields, power plants, roads, airports, subways, etc. that's probably a good thing (assuming the projects are well managed). If you're borrowing money to build massive palaces, give everyone tax cuts for finishing their basements, etc, that's probably a bad thing. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: The Issue |
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mindmetoo wrote:
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If you're borrowing money to build massive palaces, give everyone tax cuts for finishing their basements, etc, that's probably a bad thing. |
Within this statement lies the understanding of what is being discussed. Any time a group or nation uses its resources (financial) to build its infrastructure, it is seen as development. Occasionally, companies and interests over extend by designing bigger and better. When this happens they have to seek additional funding to support the development. How does this happen? It happens by going to someone who has the money and making some kind of guarantee of repayment. It's called credit buying, and the US is going bankrupt because of it.
"Credit" itself is not a bad thing only insofar as a person is able to pay off their purchases. However, people don't think or plan when it comes to the buying. I say all this because the ultra inflated prices of housing in this country is a prime example of what is being talked about. There currently exists a building frenzy for apartment buildings in this country that is idiotic. There are entire complexes in some regions that sit half occupied or empty simply because the companies that built them borrowed beyond the max to build on speculation that the economy was going to continue at the same rate it had for the previous 5 years. Now the economic support is beginning to crumble in a big way, and the companies have no choice but to close shop, and in many cases leave the general public who invested their money hanging high and dry.
The won is dropping at such a fast rate that money is being borrowed from government reserves to reinflate it. So when Peter borrows from Paul to pay Mary the cycle is set. Korea has set in motion the cycle of debt to debt spending, i.e. they have over extended to the point that it will be extremely difficult to reverse the trend without going through a significant recession and perhaps verging on a financial depression.
I know this is a long explanation, but being a Net Debtor nation is the worst of the worst situations Korea could be in right now. Take into consideration that it took only 3 months for the reversal from Net Creditor to Net Debtor to occur and it should give you a very clear picture of just how serious the situation is. |
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Cheonmunka

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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There are entire complexes in some regions that sit half occupied or empty simply |
I haven't seen these empty apartment buildings before. Where are they? |
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Bryan
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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endo wrote: |
So is this a good or bad thing?
I'm not really knowledgable about internatonal economics/ |
Debt isn't necessarily bad; it is often required for production. I disagree with the type of people who will just look at this number and then write it off as good or bad. The whole thing can't be evaluated as either good or bad so superficially.
If I take out a loan to build my new product idea and get a productive company off the ground, the debt is good. If you lend out money and get 1% interest back, that is bad. If you lend out money and get a bigger and safer return than you could otherwise (guaranteed 10% interest or something) then the lending is good.
Didn't read any of the posts in this thread yet but hopefully someone explained it before me. |
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skeeterses
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I do have hope that Korea will do a better job at managing its debt better than America.
However, after being there for over 3 years, I have a very strong feeling that a lot of the development going over there has been out of scale for a small country. For example, the roads. Korea imports 100% of its oil but is still continuing to build roads in an era of rising oil prices. And then there is the issue of overpopulation, and yes we do have to think about that. Korea has one of the highest population densities in the world. If there were a sudden disruption in trade causing food imports to stop, South Korea could face severe hunger just like its neighbor up north. There simply isn't enough arable land for Korea to feed all of its inhabitants.
Even with economic infrastructure being a much better investment than giving people credit cards, we all must recognize that there are limits to the planet's resources and that the economies should be within the limits of what the planet will support. |
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Juregen
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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endo wrote: |
So is this a good or bad thing?
I'm not really knowledgable about internatonal economics/ |
It depends
If the productivity of one dollar invested is higher then the payment if interest on one dollar, its not bad to borrow money. It actually improves overall efficiency in the economy.
the other way around is bad, really bad .
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Juregen
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
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There are entire complexes in some regions that sit half occupied or empty simply |
I haven't seen these empty apartment buildings before. Where are they? |
Go West on the Highway following the Hang Gang on the south side. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: The Issue |
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tob55 wrote: |
It's called credit buying, and the US is going bankrupt because of it. |
How so? You go bankrupt when can't even service the interest on your debt. Is the USA in that position? As a % of gdp, the debt is pretty much average. |
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