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Should the US lower its drinking age?
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blurgalurgalurga



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Should the US lower its drinking age? Reply with quote

Since 1984 the drinking age has been 21. The law is up for renewal next year.
A coalition of college and university presidents has apparently signed a petition decrying the law, saying it perpetuates clandestine binge drinking and is both ineffective and unenforceable.
Here's where I read about it...
http://www.slate.com/id/2198522/

What do you think, Americans? What do you think, Unamericans?
One more question too for the yanks--did you presonally wait until you were 21 to drink? Do you know anybody who did?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we even have a national drinking age? When I was 18 we drank 3.2 beer in Colorado but in my home state (Iowa) the age was 21. At one point I vaguely remember talking about Iowa lowering the age to 19 but I don't remember if they ever did it. I'm so far past legal age that I haven't paid much attention to it.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Do we even have a national drinking age? When I was 18 we drank 3.2 beer in Colorado but in my home state (Iowa) the age was 21. At one point I vaguely remember talking about Iowa lowering the age to 19 but I don't remember if they ever did it. I'm so far past legal age that I haven't paid much attention to it.


Technically it's set by the state however the federal government tied it to federal highway dollars. If you raised your age, you either got money or got more money for your highways. Since the states liked billions of dollars, most fell in line save for a few hold out states but I think largely every state in the nation has raised it to 21.

Drinking age is 19 in Ontario and 18 in Quebec. Society has not crumbled. I think if you're old enough to vote and die in the military you should be able to drink. It's about that simple.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

21 is the legal drinking age in every state of the union. Louisiana and Ohio were the last two states to hold out but they buckled under relatively quick.

Without question, this law should be changed. I don't know of any nation other than Muslim nations and India which require such an old age to buy alcohol.

It certainly doesn't prevent underage drinking. Heck, you can smoke when your 18 (I think). Absolutely stupid law.

Thank you Ronald Regan for making the drinking age 21, you uncaring old man you!

Teach responsibility. It is the only way to go.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was 18, hell yes. Now that I'm 27, hell no.

Getting alcohol underage was half the fun. Also, its a way for people to climb the social ladder. The guy who can get alcohol on a regular basis gets cheerleader poontang.
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OneWayTraffic



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In NZ we lowered it to 18. Pretty soon there was an increase of 15-17 year olds getting drunk. Now it's looking likely to be raised again.
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petethebrick



Joined: 25 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, its 18 at home in Ireland too and there's never been a drink problem there Wink
Same as in New Zealand, there are big problems with 13-15 year olds getting wasted. Raising the age isnt the solution I dont think though.
In fairness , they are stricter about requesting ID in stores now. when I was younger they'd basically serve anybody who could see over the counter!
I remember when I was at University all the exchange students from the US were amazed that there were loads of bars on campus. Apparently they don't in the States? Couldn't imagine that tbh^^
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mises



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be graduated levels. Say at 14-15 wine/beer with a guardian at a restaurant or at home is ok. At 18 hard liquor can be bought, but you can't go to bars etc etc.

I enjoy the serenity of bars in the US compared to Canada. The 18-21 male demographic are bloody annoying when they're loaded.
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Either they lower the drinking age or they raise the age you have to register with selective services.

A country that can send you to die but says you're not allowed to drink before they do so is twisted.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The age its legal to shoot to kill and die for your country is the age its legit to drink. Full stop.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
The age its legal to shoot to kill and die for your country is the age its legit to drink. Full stop.


What's your point?
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
There should be graduated levels. Say at 14-15 wine/beer with a guardian at a restaurant or at home is ok. At 18 hard liquor can be bought, but you can't go to bars etc etc.

I enjoy the serenity of bars in the US compared to Canada. The 18-21 male demographic are bloody annoying when they're loaded.


Yes, I agree. I think buying beer at a liquor store, grocery store, etc should be legal at 18. Buying liquor or buying anything at a bar should be age 21.

Or maybe the former should be 16, the latter 18. I don't really care. I'm 27 Laughing
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it's full of stars



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like an archaic law to me, but I've been drinking since I was about 14.


First ever drink was a couple of cans of harp left in the fridge by the family I was baby sitting for.

First ever drunk was a quarter bottle of vodka, 4 cans of harp and a small bottle of Thunderbird. I'm surprised my mum didn't beat me more the next day.

I have to say I turned out fine and with absolutely no drink related problems whatsoever. Laughing

I also got ID'ed in New York by a Chinese guy when I tried to buy some beers. "27, you're 27?".
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the age of consent for EVERYTHING (drinking, sex, voting, etc.) should be 16. That's not going to happen anytime soon. This law isn't going to change either. It would be interesting to see Obama come out and say vote me in and I'll lower the drinking age to 18. Won't happen because he's playing the usual games, but it might bring out the youth vote. There won't even be any debate over this, they'll just extend the law, but it should be 18.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petethebrick wrote:

I remember when I was at University all the exchange students from the US were amazed that there were loads of bars on campus. Apparently they don't in the States? Couldn't imagine that tbh^^


Bars are not on campus in the US. However, there are usually a ton of bars located off campus. Off campus could be right across the street or a couple blocks over.

I was lucky in that a bar was right next to the business building in my school. We would always go there for a beer between classes.
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