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Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

Just over eight months ago the big claim was made that the libertarians were launching a tsunami that would engulf the US and then the western world. Once the tsunami wet a few ankles it started to ebb. This week was the climax, when the Ronvoys met at the Ronvention in St. Paul.

The ovations were so loud they drowned out the GOP convention.

Maybe it was the wrong Paul? Confused

Milwaukiedave · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong

Didn't Ron Paul hold a rally or something across town? Did the networks cover any of it?

ontheway · Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:14 am Post subject:

Jesse Ventura Says He Will Run in 2012
Post Date: September 3rd, 2008

Submitted By: Alexander Nobles

Jesse Ventura stated at Ron Paul�s Campaign for Liberty rally in St. Paul, Minnesota, that he would run for president in 2012 if he determined that the grassroots made significant political advances in the interim. It is doubtful he would run for the Libertarian party nod, given that his name alone is bigger than the entire Libertarian party. Ventura could run as an Independent, getting onto all 50 state ballots and possibly winning.

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

I like Ron Paul quite a bit. However, he is an absolute jerk-off for not taking the Libertarian Party helm. It seems he was too lazy to take the time to get it on.

bacasper · Joined: 26 Mar 2007

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

Oh turn down the hyperbole. Seriously, only a white man can say America is getting worse. Think of the progress that has been made. Yes, I'm with you on war and civil liberty and quite a bit else. But not 45 years ago there was organized segregation, not long before that slavery. Women now vote and control their bodies.

Here you can see Noam Chomsky, of all people, making the case of deep progress in America. His politics are very different from mine, but I really agree with much of what he says:

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9047&SectionName=&PlayMedia=No
Forward to the 42:00 minute. Thereabouts.

If Ron Paul had Obama's looks and charisma, and ran with the Libertarian Party, you might have a legit chance at establishing a meaningful three party system. But he is a cantankerous old man, funny looking with a shrill voice. He also advocated some patently stupid stuff.

ontheway · Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:28 am Post subject:

Actually, it seems pretty obvious that Ron Paul never expected for his campaign to be as big or successful as it was. He really had no plans to go on and was not prepared to do so.

His wife became ill and has had at least three recent operations. She nearly died. Her health issues were one of the reasons for his sudden drop off in campaigning even during his run.

I agree with Mises that Ron Paul could have done his best service to the cause of Liberty by running for the Libertarian Party this year, but actually he may soon throw some support behind Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

I also believe, along with Mises and Tucker Carlson, that there are places where RP is wrong. I prefer Murray Rothbard and that other Mises - Ludwig Von.

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

ontheway · Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:

I thought Reason was based in California. They're good and Cato, too. Sheldon Richman up at FEE, used to be at CSE, and David Boaz at Cato, Bob Poole at Reason, the late Dr. Rothbard, and the late Roger MacBride, I miss them all. Spent a lot of time with each of them at many meetings and conventions in a lot of places.

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

I know Richman and the FEE people as well. The Reason Foundation is in CA but most writers are in the DC region.

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127523.html

Cato is great, and the IHS too. Hoover, the Canadian Fraser Institute and Montreal Institute of Economics.. Adam Smith institute in the UK, the Independent Institute in Oakland. So many. They (specific to Canada, the US etc) need a coherent political party to unite them. One that doesn't have the world "libertarian" in it so that it isn't boutique.

Kikomom · Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:27 am Post subject:

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Kikomom wrote:

Kikomom · Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:05 am Post subject:

You're right, OTOH. "The Jungle" is the other book worth finding.

Here ya go, Google Books has it...

The Jungle
by Upton Sinclair - 1906 - 440 pages
books.google.com

Did anyone notice the Trapp Family Von Palin wearing shades of black on the last night of the GOP convention? They even had the little girl waving like a Jon Benet beauty queen. And McPain looked like a shrunken cousin of Ed Sullivan ushering them around the stage. I almost expected them to break out into song... "I am Sixteen Going on Seventeen".

(just my thoughts on the OP Wearing Black)

Kikomom · Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:21 am Post subject:

Here's some disturbing stuff from a blogger called Daily News Caster...

Secret Service confiscates books & buttons from Ron Paul delegates

Not sure how true it is, but... go ahead, you decide.