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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: I Am Trying To Get A Job In Seoul |
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I am an English teacher from the U.K. Recently, I worked 6 weeks in a summer school (Embassy CES) in Oxford, and I came out feeling very confident . I tried to get a public school position in Seoul, through Worknplay, earlier this year, but they made a mistake and told me I needed fewer documents than I did, so my application was rejected. I tried again with a different agency, and it felt awful.
I thought the agent's trying to make me feel guilty for applying to Seoul. SMOE's application process is the most gruelling I have ever seen in my life(and I spent over a year in Japan). Who do they think they are? Who do they think I am? I am in no mood for their contempt. I KNOW I am good. I am not interested in bad teaching experiences, or people who want to play games.
So, I am waiting on word from EPIK, about a job in Incheon and the application process is slightly easier.
The reason I am applying to Seoul is social life. I am keen to be active and involved in sports, and to go swimming and hiking and meet people. There are other personal reasons. There are more facilities in a city.
Then I saw public school positions in Gyeong-gi Do, Suwon, et.c. They pay more. But what would it be like to live there? Would I still get the best of Seoul? I'd like to here from people who live in these towns.
I was tempted by a private school position at YBM in Seoul. Can you tell me what YBM is like? Hagwons have the most atrocious press. Reviews please. |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Re: I Am Trying To Get A Job In Seoul |
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| wonkavite62 wrote: |
I am an English teacher from the U.K. Recently, I worked 6 weeks in a summer school (Embassy CES) in Oxford, and I came out feeling very confident . I tried to get a public school position in Seoul, through Worknplay, earlier this year, but they made a mistake and told me I needed fewer documents than I did, so my application was rejected. I tried again with a different agency, and it felt awful.
I thought the agent's trying to make me feel guilty for applying to Seoul. SMOE's application process is the most gruelling I have ever seen in my life(and I spent over a year in Japan). Who do they think they are? Who do they think I am? I am in no mood for their contempt. I KNOW I am good. I am not interested in bad teaching experiences, or people who want to play games.
So, I am waiting on word from EPIK, about a job in Incheon and the application process is slightly easier.
The reason I am applying to Seoul is social life. I am keen to be active and involved in sports, and to go swimming and hiking and meet people. There are other personal reasons. There are more facilities in a city.
Then I saw public school positions in Gyeong-gi Do, Suwon, et.c. They pay more. But what would it be like to live there? Would I still get the best of Seoul? I'd like to here from people who live in these towns.
I was tempted by a private school position at YBM in Seoul. Can you tell me what YBM is like? Hagwons have the most atrocious press. Reviews please. |
in Gyeong-gi Do, it depends where you live and what exactly you seek. No matter what it certainly won't be Seoul, but that also has its advantages (less congestion, noise, etc)
swimming might be tough outside of Seoul, when I asked about a swimming pool, I got completely blank faces, and I wanted it for tanning purposes. Hiking and other sports, gym, etc should be available in almost any decent sized city within GEPIK.
It all depends how much Western style clubbing you want to do (almost none available outside of Seoul) and if the people you want to meet are Westerners or Koreans. Clearly meeting the latter won't be an issue no matter where you are, they'll even be friendlier outside of Seoul, but language barrier will be a huge issue.
would you still get the best of Seoul? well that depends what you want out of Seoul. Going out to clubs, etc is very difficult unless you have friends in the city where you can crash. The trains stop running at midnight and don't start till 5 am or a little later. It'll usually take you an hour or 90 minutes to get to Seoul from within different places in Gyeonggi-do. that obviously sucks.
re YBM and Pagoda, I have a friend who taught at these places, and enjoyed his experience.. he also liked teaching adults which is what these places offer.
However, there have been threads here about those places that have been far less complimentary. Use the search feature to find them. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: I Am Trying To Get A Job In Seoul |
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| wonkavite62 wrote: |
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There are more facilities in a city.
Then I saw public school positions in Gyeong-gi Do, Suwon, et.c. They pay more. But what would it be like to live there? Would I still get the best of Seoul? I'd like to here from people who live in these towns.
I was tempted by a private school position at YBM in Seoul. Can you tell me what YBM is like? Hagwons have the most atrocious press. Reviews please. |
LOL....
perhaps you should consider looking at a map of Korea before you make up your mind.
Gyeonggi do (the same province that Incheon is in) is the region surrounding Seoul city.
Suwon is the capital of Gyeonggi-province. It is a smallish city of about 1 million people and is (depending on where in the city you live) about a 45-60 minute bus or subway ride away from the night spots in Seoul.
You might actually be more interested in the "suburbs" like Bundang-gu in Seongnam city.
Google is your friend and a quick run through the FAQs wouldn't hurt either.
And in reference to your last query about hakwons... well, their reputation certainly is:
a) deserved,
b) well deserved and
c) check the embassy's websites about their opinions.
http://ukinkorea.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-korea/legal-issues-be-aware
Scroll down to "A few general tips"
http://seoul.usembassy.gov/teach.html
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/main/pubs/korea-en.asp
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polonius

Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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I know of MANY people who have stayed at their Hagwons for multiple years, not only the one I work at.
Not all Hagwons are bad, and similarly, you can have just as bad an experience at a public school. I have also read of many discontent public school teachers.
So, it just comes down to doing your research. If YBM is where you are favouring, then talk to current teachers. 3 of my friends have worked at YBM Pagoda, and they all have differing opinions, partly because of locations and management. None worked in Suwon though.
Don't always rely on the bad press you get here. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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If you are a professional and certified teacher, don't waste your time with a hakwon job. You'll take on more risk, work more hours, get less vacation, and you'll end up with 'experience' that won't count if and when you transition back to your home country.
Sounds like the OP should only be looking in Seoul. Scream 'NEXT' if a recruiter tries to place you elsewhere.
Don't give up, OP. Like you said, you have the goods, so take your time and get a position you like where you want. Don't be cajoled into accepting less. |
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Starla

Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: Re: I Am Trying To Get A Job In Seoul |
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| wonkavite62 wrote: |
I tried to get a public school position in Seoul, through Worknplay, earlier this year, but they made a mistake and told me I needed fewer documents than I did, so my application was rejected. I tried again with a different agency, and it felt awful.
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I don't get this. Isn't this their job?? I also have been told different things lately by different recruiters. Some said I need an Apostilled diploma prior to submitting my original and some said I just need the original. I think I have to the thinking for some of them and do what I think is right. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it's amazing how many organizations function in spite of themselves. |
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