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What's the English word for constraint in a persons presence
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: What's the English word for constraint in a persons presence Reply with quote

My co-teacher today showed me a Korean word on her cell phone translator that had an English definition of saying, "Constraint in a persons presence." She was explaining that my 5th grade students needed basic nursery rhyme songs like, "10 little Indians," and "Twinkle, twinkle little star," "The Alphabet Song," as only 4 out of the 32 know any English at all. I have taught them twice so far and they can't stop speaking Korea nor do I try to strop them as that would be in vain to do so. I guess this brings me to the problem of teaching toddler nursery level of things to 10 to 12 year olds who will think it's rather lame, but they need to learn their alphabet, phonics, and vocabulary.


I've never heard of an English word for the Korean word used so I'm trying to grasp what they mean. I understand that constraint means to restrict freedom and I'm not a bit strict nor demanding, but acting as a funny edutainer and getting some laughs. It can also mean repressing feelings, but I encourage questions and statements though few can or will speak English and require speaking Korean. It was specifically requested to approach PS teaching from an edutainment and conversational teaching standpoint with no curriculum; not constraining to lecture, drill, ceremony, books, and wrote memorization. I think she's saying the students are confused by not knowing anything I'm saying. Things such as what day, month, and time is and the weather and verbal actions. It takes time to get results as I've seen before, but they'll be speaking by Christmas. I'm using video as well as slapstick comedy acting and getting laughs, but can't figure out why they'd feel constrained in such a fun and easy environment. I think it's just new to them and they feel uncomfortable at first due to not knowing anything in English yet.

Any one know something I don't? Thanks in advance for your insightful replies.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are not good language learners because of their gi bun and some other BS. Maybe they're looking for excuses why it's your fault rather than their own.
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DRAMA OVERKILL



Joined: 12 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: What's the English word for constraint in a persons pres Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
My co-teacher today showed me a Korean word on her cell phone translator that had an English definition of saying, "Constraint in a persons presence."


Maybe she's fed up with you and needs to constrain herself from wringing your neck while in your presence.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe she means they are shy?
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
Koreans are not good language learners because of their gi bun and some other BS. Maybe they're looking for excuses why it's your fault rather than their own.


What is a gi bun?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gi bun = something like emotional state, feelings, self-respect
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modesty? Discretion? English has a lot of words. State more explicitly what you want to express. Your post is unclear.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
gi bun = something like emotional state, feelings, self-respect


This is just as unclear. Very vague.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I just realized what your post is about. I was talking about this in my classes today. It's the "affective filter" (in linguistic jargon), it simply means students are shy and are uncomfortable speaking in front of the class for fear of making mistakes.

This is a challenge for instructors who teach adolescents.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
gi bun = something like emotional state, feelings, self-respect


This is just as unclear. Very vague.


Emotional state is perfect, IMO.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://spzwww.uni-muenster.de/~griesha/sla/krashen/affil.html
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:
Modesty? Discretion? English has a lot of words. State more explicitly what you want to express. Your post is unclear.


Yes, those are good. Reserve was the first thing that came to my mind.
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OnTheOtherSide



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shy, conservative, modest, uptight, reserved, self-conscious............ that one is easy.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OnTheOtherSide wrote:
Shy, conservative, modest, uptight, reserved, self-conscious............ that one is easy.


Those of you in cities will not understand my post as it just doesn't happen there.

I get it. I'm in a very small town and am the 1st foreign teacher they've had so I'm up against the challenge of living and doing in a place unaccustomed to westerners. Everything I've tried requires a lot of leg work to establish how it is to work out. Even simple everyday things like buying some food has been a real challenge as they wouldn't sell at first due to not knowing how to sell to a foreigner until being told by a Korean I returned to the restaurant with. They wouldn't even sell a cell phone with a Korean in my presence as I'm just way out of their narrow operating parameter. Working and living with these inexperienced people is very different than when you go places that have some experience dealing with foreigners.

I'm going to come up against many oppositions on account of accidently bringing in ideas that are not congruent with local thinking due to being a westerner who thinks and does independently vs. being a part of the collective. I couldn't do the latter as I'm not a Korean. I'm an outsider.

It's too bad if they don't like me, because I can't make them, but I'm trying to do all the right things. I'm sure I would just get frustrated if I really try as they will never appreciate you and will just find something to complain about always while not giving you any support that's worth it's weight. That's the Korean way.
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hugekebab



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Composure.
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