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Saturday Overtime: Would you do it?
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Saturday Overtime: Would you do it? Reply with quote

So, I've been offered some overtime at my school. I accepted the weekday ones. Only 2 classes per week at 20,000 each class.

The Saturday classes...I would get 30,000 for each student though. It sounds really tempting. It'll only be like 2 saturdays a month. I told them I would think about it. Anyway..would you do it?
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plynx



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the money sounds good, but i've been there, done that. my boss told me it would only be "one class" for a certain amount of hours. then she added on another class without asking - 6 hours of my saturdays gone. right now they "say" it'll only be for two saturdays a month, but you never know what might happen after classes have commenced. are you ready/willing to give up your weekends? working the six days made me want to quit my job. which i did. in my opinion, you should keep your weekends for yourself unless you're desperate for money (and even then, think of other - more lucrative - alternatives) or have nothing better to do.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's a public school so I don't think they'll add more classes without letting me know. Most of my friends have left anyway. I didn't save any money during my first year & I never did any overtime or private tutoring. I'm not interested in teaching privates either. If anything, I'd rather do it through the school. hmm still dunno
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would work if I was asked and available. As long as I never had too many hours through the week.
Saturday mornings are over very quickly if taking a long-lie.
I would rather do upto 4 hours in the morning and then go home at lunch with the whole day ahead of me. I would probably be more active the remainder of the day with the bonus of having earned extra money.

If it's every Saturday, which Korean teachers don't do, try to wangle some time off through the week too?
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KYC wrote:
Well it's a public school so I don't think they'll add more classes without letting me know. Most of my friends have left anyway. I didn't save any money during my first year & I never did any overtime or private tutoring. I'm not interested in teaching privates either. If anything, I'd rather do it through the school. hmm still dunno


sounds like a personal decision.
I'd never do Saturdays, because weekends are the only time i REALLY get to sleep... and I like to sleep LATE.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once agreed to teach a couple of hours on Saturday once a month. It didn't sound too taxing and the money was good. What I found, and this is my personal experience, was that it made the weekend all but disappear. I was home shortly after noon, but by the time I'd eaten lunch it was more or less the middle of the afternoon. Throw in things like doing laundry and weekly shopping and suddenly it's Sunday. I was tired the whole next week.

I didn't find the money compensated for the lack of free time.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work any overtime that I can get, and always wish I could get more. Smile


OP, you said previous OT was at 20,000 but this is at 30,000. I would assume that means your regular hourly rate is also below 30,000. In this case, I would be taking OT for sure.

Go work the OT. Would you be "lucky" enough to get 3 hours per day? That's 180,000 per month based on 2 Saturdays. Just think what you want to spend the money on and then enjoy it.

If you could do it for 4 months, that's 720,000. I'm pretty sure you could reward yourself with a nice vacation to another country on that money. What was so important for 3 hours on Saturday that you wouldn't trade that for an international flight?

Just my opinion. Good luck.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone is different, but like Ya-ta, I value my time off more than (almost) any monitary compensation. They would have to offer 'really big bucks' to get me to teach on Saturdays. W30,000/class doesn't even come close. I've been offered W40,000/class for 'afterschool' (Mon.-Fri.) classes and turned it down.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I jusr re-read the OP's post, and W30,000/student is so ambiguous as to guarantee he/she will get 'screwed'.
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saw6436



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did Saturday TOEFL classes for 5 years. 2pm to 5pm. 4 classes at W30,000 per hour. Good money and good for my relationsip with my boss.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

I do empathize witih other opinions on this thread regarding valuing free time. I guess a big issue would be how many hours each week you currently spend doing school-related work.

I have full days of teaching on Mondays and Wednesdays. However, I only teach from 9:10am - 11:10am on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and on Fridays I only teach from 7:20am -12:00 noon. For me, I have tons of free time in my opinion and I don't really have a lot of other things I want to do anyways, so for me to work overtime is fine. In addition, I like working so I welcome extra hours.

I think you should also factor in what you will be spending your extra earnings on. If you are paying off debt then maybe there is more reason to work longer. Also, if you have a "luxury" item you want like a new laptop, plasma tv, or a vacation, then maybe you are more inclined to work extra hours.

The marginal utility of wages curve does bend "back" onto itself as you earn more money, but I think everyone is at a different point on that curve. You should evaluate your lifestyle and how much you covet extra revenue.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: I wouldn't do it Reply with quote

If the pay is 30,000/student per Saturday, what happens if you have no-shows and teach nary a student on those days? What happens if one student shows and must leave halfway through the lesson? Do you get 15K for that student? What happens if classes run over? What happens if a kid is late?

If you're doing this, you need to think of all the situations that could get you burned and take those into account in some sort of written agreement. This deal is fraught with potential problems, although it seems pretty straightforward.

I don't think I'd do it, to be honest.

One question, not that it's any of my business...You went the entire previous year and saved not one dime? How did that happen? I hope you were paying off debt back home. If not, this extra income will only vanish just as quickly as your energy level. Burnout will surely soon follow.


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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

20,000 per class....5555555...chump! 5555555555
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I did save some and paid off some debt. I didn't literally mean I didnt save much. I paid off some debt, but I mostly traveled and had fun with traveling. I wasn't cheap. I ate whatever I liked and bought whatever I liked.

30,000 per student..there isn't a lot specified. I asked for more information but htey just wanted to know if I would do it so that they will ask the students. After that they can give me more information...they're just trying to get the program started as well so there aren't any definite answers yet. They just want to know what i thought about it.

i'm not hurting for money, but it would be nice to have some extra money for things that I want and stuff..once I get home. I dont like the idea of having to give up my saturdays but my friends are leaving anyway.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KYC wrote:
well I did save some and paid off some debt. I didn't literally mean I didnt save much. I paid off some debt, but I mostly traveled and had fun with traveling. I wasn't cheap. I ate whatever I liked and bought whatever I liked.

30,000 per student..there isn't a lot specified. I asked for more information but htey just wanted to know if I would do it so that they will ask the students. After that they can give me more information...they're just trying to get the program started as well so there aren't any definite answers yet. They just want to know what i thought about it.

i'm not hurting for money, but it would be nice to have some extra money for things that I want and stuff..once I get home. I dont like the idea of having to give up my saturdays but my friends are leaving anyway.


sounds like mental masturbation.

no one can make this decision for you. Some people value their free time more than others regardless of compensation and other people are scrounging for every won they can get.

of course, I would find out the specifics of compensation BEFORE committing, so you'll know precisely what you are getting into and can make an informed decision.

I just accepted 2 hours of afterschool classes from 4:30-6:30 pm 4x a week at a mere 25K per hour. I know I'd be wasting this time at home, but I was tired as *beep* last week, the first week I did this crap.

may be a decision I'll regret, but I figured the money was decent.

it will be a personal decision for YOU and you alone to make.

I'll never work weekends, or do vacation camps . that time is sacred.

as it is, this is the first time in my life I am actually working more than an 8 hour day (meaning just being "at work" more than 8 hours a day). I've spent 10+ years of working in the "real world", actually working slightly more than 7.
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