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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Is this a normal work load? |
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I am working 32 classes a week now at my academy. I am falling apart. It is too exhausting, and they are all upper level classes.
Last term, I had 23, but they were mostly lower level type classes, and we had phone teaching. Generally, teachers who teach the upper level don't have a heavy load, but the enrollment went up so much, that I actually had the opposite happen, and I just can't keep up with the grading without taking stuff home, and the thought of quitting has crept into my mind. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Is this a normal work load? |
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Adventurer wrote: |
I am working 32 classes a week now at my academy. I am falling apart. It is too exhausting, and they are all upper level classes.
Last term, I had 23, but they were mostly lower level type classes, and we had phone teaching. Generally, teachers who teach the upper level don't have a heavy load, but the enrollment went up so much, that I actually had the opposite happen, and I just can't keep up with the grading without taking stuff home, and the thought of quitting has crept into my mind. |
Get paid overtime and stop grading. Tests and grading are overrated. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, that's a bit too much. It's not uncommon for Korean teachers to have this heavy of a load, but less common for foreigners. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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hagwons usually have a limit of 30 teaching hours a week, you should be getting paid overtime for those two extra classes (check your contract for your OT rate). i wouldn't take any editing home if i were you, do what you can during working hours, if you don't get it all done maybe think about teaching a class on peer editing if it's marking, well, do kids ever get lower than a B in hagwons? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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nomad-ish wrote: |
hagwons usually have a limit of 30 teaching hours a week, you should be getting paid overtime for those two extra classes (check your contract for your OT rate). i wouldn't take any editing home if i were you, do what you can during working hours, if you don't get it all done maybe think about teaching a class on peer editing if it's marking, well, do kids ever get lower than a B in hagwons? |
Each class is 40 minutes long, and I have 32 classes. That is less than 30 teaching hours, but I am teaching upper level kids, and the marking is too much. There is no way I could finish it all at work without taking a bunch home, because they don't let us stay after work. We have to go home. I could give the kids B.S. grades or cut their work back without telling anyone, but I don't like doing that kind of thing. I also have 2 hours of planning time, but that's not enough. I am at work for at least 40 hours a week. It was all right last term, but now I have double the work, because I have upper level classes and more than the guy I replaced. It seems insane. |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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talk to your boss about it..
explain your over worked, have no time for marking. either they pay over time, give u less classes or ur out..
i wouldnt be taking stuff home EVER. |
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Ed Provencher
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do all that you reasonably can do at work in the most professional way you know. Tell your boss you can't do all the work necessary within your contract hours and ask them what they want to do. At least if you bring them into the solution-seeking mindset, you are being proactive.
There is no shame in telling your boss that you won't bring work home with you. There is a limit to what anyone can do in a day. My policy is to tell my boss when there is too much work and stand my ground. Set your boundaries. You already sound like you take your job seriously. You will be hard to replace.
I have coworkers who grade essays at home or work unpaid OT while complaining about how unfair the boss is, when they could simply have a discussion with the boss about what is humanly possible to do/not to do.
I'm a stubborn son-of-a-bitch too. Always have been. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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i used to do 38-42 40minute classes, but i didn't do any grading or phone teaching or test giving or any extra stuff like that. Just in and out. 7 classes a day Mon-Sat. Fun fun.
Now anything more than 6 (75min) classes a week is overtime^^ And none of that "holidays don't count" creative accounting that hagwans do.
You've been here since 2006 right? Why'd you stick with the hagwan thing? Maybe you should switch to a public school or try and get a good uni job. Unless you're earning 7.000.000won a month.. then it might be worth sticking with it a while. Maybe. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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My first question would be.
What are you earning ...? |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Good advice from Ed' . I currently have 54 40 minute classes but do not have any prep time (I have over 1,800 lesson plans on file). For me it's OK but it can be a bit of a drag.
If your doing grading, testing, and prep you are working a bit too much. Do talk to your boss about the work load. Sounds heavy to me. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Juregen wrote: |
My first question would be.
What are you earning ...? |
2.3 million. It is not about the money. Even if I were paid 2.7 million, it is not worth working to the point of exhaustion all the time. I want to return the U.S. I was planning on working for a public school, but the one I applied for happened to be dishonest, and I didn't want to risk staying with them for a year, and at that time there were complications with dealing with new visa regulations. You know, we live in the land of the sparkling laws. I heard the health check thing changed again recently. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus Chrysler! With a heavy class load like that, you can't do anything but teach. Take it easy from now on.
Anyway, I'd get out of that gig. I'd seriously sit down with your boss first and tell him how you feel. Or something. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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saw6436 wrote: |
Good advice from Ed' . I currently have 54 40 minute classes but do not have any prep time (I have over 1,800 lesson plans on file). For me it's OK but it can be a bit of a drag.
If your doing grading, testing, and prep you are working a bit too much. Do talk to your boss about the work load. Sounds heavy to me. |
Holy ole fk! 54 classes! Jebus! I imagine you're making good money, but for fk's sake! |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
Juregen wrote: |
My first question would be.
What are you earning ...? |
2.3 million. It is not about the money. Even if I were paid 2.7 million, it is not worth working to the point of exhaustion all the time. I want to return the U.S. I was planning on working for a public school, but the one I applied for happened to be dishonest, and I didn't want to risk staying with them for a year, and at that time there were complications with dealing with new visa regulations. You know, we live in the land of the sparkling laws. I heard the health check thing changed again recently. |
That's a rip off...too many people working here like to take it up the ass Korean style.
Apply for another public school or a decent private school.... |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ukon wrote: |
Adventurer wrote: |
Juregen wrote: |
My first question would be.
What are you earning ...? |
2.3 million. It is not about the money. Even if I were paid 2.7 million, it is not worth working to the point of exhaustion all the time. I want to return the U.S. I was planning on working for a public school, but the one I applied for happened to be dishonest, and I didn't want to risk staying with them for a year, and at that time there were complications with dealing with new visa regulations. You know, we live in the land of the sparkling laws. I heard the health check thing changed again recently. |
That's a rip off...too many people working here like to take it up the ass Korean style.
Apply for another public school or a decent private school.... |
There is no point in staying in Korea any longer. It is risky at public schools and other private schools. I would prefer to return to the U.S.
I would have to start a one-year contract and leave, anyway, so what would be the point. I just hate the exploitation. I feel exploited, and I've been cursing like a sailor amongst friends and at work, and I snapped at a supervisor when she claimed we were told something we were told, and more stuff was being dumped on us. I like the manager, but not exploitation. Today, I was pretty sick, though, and one of my co-workers took me to the hospital, not the manager. I have gastroentritis. I am not sure if it is related to stress, but I didn't have the energy to recuperate. |
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