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Gopher
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 Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Republican Convention Off to a Great Start... |
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Must really sting Democrats. I love it...
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Tuesday night, Sen. Joe Lieberman, a former Democratic vice presidential nominee, will tell the convention that Sen. John McCain "is the best choice to ... lead our country forward."
"I'm here to support John McCain [for president] because country matters more than party," Lieberman will say, according to excerpts of his speech released to the media.
Lieberman, who served three terms as a Democratic senator from Connecticut before winning a Senate term as an independent in 2006, also will say McCain correctly supported the troop surge in Iraq.
"When [Democratic presidential nominee] Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground, John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion and support the surge," Lieberman, the Democrats' 2000 vice presidential nominee, is to say.
"Because of that, today, our troops are at last beginning to come home, not in failure but in honor," Lieberman is to say in his speech, scheduled for after 10 p.m. ET...[my emphasis] |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we know where this thread is going. So I'll start.
Is the biggest question or issue the troops or the various wars? Not the economy or health care or infrastructure or trade or institutionalized poverty or education or anything else? Just war? |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Lieberman was pretty much forced out of the party for his hawkish war views. Don't think it stings at all. He should become a Republican and support bombing Iran. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Lieberman was pretty much forced out of the party for his hawkish war views. Don't think it stings at all. He should become a Republican and support bombing Iran. |
Should BECOME a Republican? Did you mean join the party? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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McCain, a leader for all civilizations, says former rival
Former US Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson (L) ...
Republican John McCain has the kind of character that civilizations throughout history have "sought in their leaders," former presidential hopeful and actor Fred Thompson said Tuesday.
"This is the kind of character that civilizations from the beginning of history have sought in their leaders. Strength. Courage. Humility. Wisdom. Duty. Honor," Thompson said according to excerpts of his speech.
"It's pretty clear there are two questions we will never have to ask ourselves, 'Who is this man?' and 'Can we trust this man with the presidency?'"
He also praised McCain's reputation as a crusader against corruption and cronyism.
"While others were talking reform, John McCain led the effort to make reform happen always pressing, always moving for what he believed was right and necessary to restore the people's faith in their government."
And Thompson, a former actor in the popular TV series "Law & Order," paid tribute to McCain's military record and to his stand on Iraq.
"He has been to Iraq eight times since 2003. He went seeking truth, not publicity. When he travels abroad, he prefers quietly speaking to the troops amidst the heat and hardship of their daily lives.
"And the same character that marked John McCain's military career has also marked his political career. This man, John McCain, is not intimidated by what the polls say or by what is politically safe or popular." |
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080902225556.0ttr9pnn&show_article=1
People say the dumbest things in politics. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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The first question to be asked when considering extending the term of an administration is:
Are you/the country/the world better off now than four years ago?
My prediction for the speeches at the convention this week: The letters 'w', 'a', 'r'; 'p', 'o', 'w' and 'i', 'r', 'a' 'q' will be putting in for overtime pay. It's the one and only thing the Republicans have going for them. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, this represents a break in administrations. You are repeating the Democrats' campaign-year talking points. No more no less. This notwithstanding, I think it stings. Democrats have wishy-washy judgment in the people they elevate. Probably stings A. Gore most of all. And I imagine -- if I had been here in 2000 -- I might have seen some of these same posters defending J. Lieberman to the death against W. Bush and D. Cheney.
In any case, the convention looks good. I expect great things when the Republican nominee and his runningmate speak... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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I can see from Mises' link that the Republicans are selling McCain heavily on his character.
Because policy-wise, the entire GOP is a losing argument. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Because policy-wise... |
Not so fast. The Republicans were apparently right on the so-called surge. Right around that time, I recall, the Democrats would have cut and run, leading to likely consequences that we will now not see unfold.
We are at war, Mises. An ongoing war. It does make it something of a priority issue. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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J. Lieberman's speech, where he emphasized "J. McCain is his own man..."
CNN Reports |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the Republicans fabricated a case for that war. Figuring out how to fight an insurgency 5 years into manufacturing one does not deserve a cookie. And it is the height of cynicism to create a war out of thin air and then use the execution of that war as your highest selling point. No?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93293353 |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ...author Ron Suskind alleges... |
Why reprint allegations as fact?
The fact remains, Mises: we are at war. I agree that the Iraqi War was an unjust war from the start. But I am not interested in putting people in power who are going to waste their time foaming-at-the-mouth about the past administration and play the usual partisan games. I want to put people in power who are going to live for today and tomorrow, take charge of the situation as it is, and deal with it as adults.
You are supporting the other guys here. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not supporting anybody. I know the United States is at war with Iraq and I also have great sympathy for the 'break it bought it' line of thinking. My concern is less with the current policy (surge etc) than it is with a guy who thinks almost entirely in military terms in foreign relations. Nakedly, I'm afraid he'd attack Iran.
Iraq was a nothing compared to an Iranian conflict. Hezballah is active all over the world and can hit American targets and cities with great ease. The economic costs would be enormous. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| I'm not supporting anybody. |
I know. Much of this is merely election-year playtime vs. the other side.
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| ...and I also have great sympathy for the 'break it bought it' line of thinking. |
Glad you understand it. The former SecState first articulated this, I believe.
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| I'm afraid he'd attack Iran. |
I do not see this on the horizon. I could be off on this. But I think those who are ringing the alarm bells have missed several crucial, but apparently subtle, incidents re: this war and Tehran. Then again, some of them just like to ring the alarm bells and shout wild allegations. |
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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| "I'm here to support John McCain [for president] because country matters more than party," Lieberman will say, according to excerpts of his speech released to the media. |
No suprise that Lieberman thinks his country (Israel) matters more than which party its goyim lackeys are installed in. If you feel your highest calling as a patriotic American is to be shipped off to die for some tiny Marxist-racist banana republic on the other side of the world then, while you'll probably get your wish whomever is elected, on the face of it you certainly should support McCain. |
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