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kirya
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Can't get a job |
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| Hi, I have been trying to find a job teaching English in Seoul for about 4 months now. But problems seem to keep arising. My last two interviews have failed, one because I didn't sound passionate enough and the other because I was too young (22). I have used several different recruiters but very few actually find me a position. What am I doing wrong? |
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Pooty
Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Location: Ela stin agalia mou
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| What do you look like? Are you overweight? |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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I would have a look at how well your resume is selling you ... Often it is looking at the resume and your photo which will convince the school that you are someone they want ... ie make sure that you include everything you can that shows that you will be a good teacher / other things you could contribute to the school / that you have some sort of experience that is relevant ... I think that at your age ... and actually at any age really you do need to sell yourself to both the recruiter and the school ... To the recruiter because it is them who decides which school to offer you to and to the school because that is what encourages them to employ you. ... ie if you are applying for a kindy/elementary job you will need to say more than I like children ...
As for selling yourself well in the interview and sounding "passionate" I would also consider role playing with a friend the sorts of questions they might ask you and working on increasing how passionate you sound |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: I'd agree with Pooty |
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Pooty is on the right track. You shouldn't be having any trouble at all landing a job in Seoul. Come on..these are places that hire people from halfway around the world without an interview. 'Passion' isn't a concern. It's appearance in this case, unless you're perhaps setting your sights too high. Where are you applying? Universities? Colleges?
What is your BMI? Are you white? Those are important questions here, and their answers will trump one's teaching ability, unfortunately. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, have to agree. After they get your resume and pic, the interview is just a formality to make sure you don't sound like the Elephant Man.
Enunciate, exude interest in Korea and all things Korean, and play down your propensity to drink too much. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Redo the resume pic, it probably is not good. And if you are overweight do a head shot only. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Yeah, have to agree. After they get your resume and pic, the interview is just a formality to make sure you don't sound like the Elephant Man.
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Or uncomfortably shy. I used to be shy, and I was turned down for so many jobs (not in Korea). Speak up when interviewing on the phone. Try to sound confident. I don't think I look or sound especially passionate, but I am confident.
You guys really think they would give her an interview if her picture didn't pass? |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Slow to change? |
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And talk about a do-do bird strategy. Four months is an awfully long time to figure out something else must be tried. Especially in Seoul in the midst of the present roiling. If one has a pulse, is white, is from one of the big 5, and can talk, he or she should be able to land a job somewhere in the hive within a few weeks.
I'm not getting the 'four months' part. |
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Bigs
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: Re: I'd agree with Pooty |
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| Tobias wrote: |
Pooty is on the right track. You shouldn't be having any trouble at all landing a job in Seoul. Come on..these are places that hire people from halfway around the world without an interview. 'Passion' isn't a concern. It's appearance in this case, unless you're perhaps setting your sights too high. Where are you applying? Universities? Colleges?
What is your BMI? Are you white? Those are important questions here, and their answers will trump one's teaching ability, unfortunately. |
Ain't that the truth. I found out the reason I can't work in Gyeongsangnam is that someone from my old school has bad-mouthed me about my size (yes, I'm a big guy - however, does it affect my teaching? ). Apparently I made the students uncomfortable (could've fooled me... I thought I had a reasonable to good rapport with them), made some of the teachers uncomfortable (they never had anything to do with me) and parents were complaining (this is a public school - the parents should be irrevalent. In addition I never met a single one).
From what I hear - you would've thought I abused a kid and punched a principal...
As a result the BoE won't hire me to work in a school - yet there are still vacancies that haven't been filled (and more than likely won't be)
Ahhh... Korea sparkling....  |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: When I first came |
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I liked Korea my first year. Well, I still like it overall, but I don't like teaching here anymore. Too many complainers take too many white people for granted, adminstrators engage in too little planning, and the government thinks it can force down my throat a plane ticket back home just to get a simple piece of paper. Nope.
And now the Filipinos are moving in...but this is only because they'll bow down and put up with being abused and accept a low salary, plus they give the Koreans someone to actually abuse. What a way to save face...pushing your boot into the temple of someone who has no choice but to take it.
Give me a job as a tech writer for a shipbuilder such as Hyundai. I'm about to shit can the TESOL thing in SK. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: I'd agree with Pooty |
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| Bigs wrote: |
Ain't that the truth. I found out the reason I can't work in Gyeongsangnam is that someone from my old school has bad-mouthed me about my size (yes, I'm a big guy - however, does it affect my teaching? ). Apparently I made the students uncomfortable (could've fooled me... I thought I had a reasonable to good rapport with them), made some of the teachers uncomfortable (they never had anything to do with me) and parents were complaining (this is a public school - the parents should be irrevalent. In addition I never met a single one).
From what I hear - you would've thought I abused a kid and punched a principal...
As a result the BoE won't hire me to work in a school - yet there are still vacancies that haven't been filled (and more than likely won't be)
Ahhh... Korea sparkling....  |
I feel for your situation because I have met many teachers who have had these same problems as well.
ESL in Korea is a huge joke. Koreans aren't interested in good teachers or interested in learning English. They believe they want good teachers and they believe they want to really learn English but they aren't willing to adapt or make the changes necessary to ensure success in these two endeavors.
I've said this many times to many people who have asked me advice about teaching English in Korea. It is more important to get along with the Korean adults you work with, than it is to teach well. This is a culture where the adults or the elders constantly abuse younger people. They have this sense of entitlement, which is incredibly immature to us but is more than justifiable to them because they have had to grow up in this culture themselves.
I had a friend who worked for GEPIK who had major problems with his beard. Basically, he was one of those people who refused to shave and this bothered some of the teachers in the school. Of course they complained about it and told him that his beard made the students uncomfortable. My advice at the time was to tell them off. In retrospect, my advice was bad and I was definitely wrong. I'm glad to say he chose to ignore them. I'm almost 100% sure that none of the students really had an issue with his beard at all. In addition, when he tried to introduce writing in one of his classes the teachers complained that the students thought the exercises were too hard and they were complaining to their parents. This was at a rural school, I seriously doubt any of the parents even knew what their children were studying in school.
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: When I first came |
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I liked Korea my first year. Well, I still like it overall, but I don't like teaching here anymore. Too many complainers take too many white people for granted, adminstrators engage in too little planning, and the government thinks it can force down my throat a plane ticket back home just to get a simple piece of paper. Nope.
And now the Filipinos are moving in...but this is only because they'll bow down and put up with being abused and accept a low salary, plus they give the Koreans someone to actually abuse. What a way to save face...pushing your boot into the temple of someone who has no choice but to take it.
Give me a job as a tech writer for a shipbuilder such as Hyundai. I'm about to shit can the TESOL thing in SK. |
I understand what you are saying and I am sympathetic. I too enjoyed my first year teaching here in Korea, but after that one realizes it gets worse, not better.
Why begrudge the Filipinos? I pity them, they are gonna have to put up with some really nasty treatment.
As far as working for another Korean company, I would think twice. My ex-roomie worked for Samsung and she told me it was the worst job she ever had. Long hours and low pay. That's the typical scenario working for an Asian company because there are so many employees to chose from. You can always be easily replaced. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| If it's hagwons, you need a good passport picture. Avoid a body shot, if you're fat they might not hire you, if you're hot expect trouble. Public schools still have vacancies even in Seoul. Your recruiter may say otherwise, try another recruiter. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: That's an understatement |
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[quote="Sody]
.....Why begrudge the Filipinos? I pity them, they are gonna have to put up with some really nasty treatment.
As far as working for another Korean company, I would think twice. My ex-roomie worked for Samsung and she told me it was the worst job she ever had. Long hours and low pay. That's the typical scenario working for an Asian company because there are so many employees to chose from. You can always be easily replaced.[/quote]
Ain't these points the truth.
I, too, pity the 26,000 that are supposedly being imported. And we think we get reamed. But I don't pity them too much, as they are Asians. Asian people have a bad habit of accepting abuse as part of the job.This is the second-biggest reason the Fillies are being allowed in. They'll put up with bullshit for a year that we wouldn't put up with for five minutes. Sure, I pity them, but not much.
Time to head back home and get into a master's program. Maybe that'll land me a better job at Hyundai or KIA. |
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Ninjaniki
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| If you are not white don't worry. I am not white and I was getting lots of jobs interviews and offers every night. I had a hard time turning down offers. Don't let what anyone says discourage you. Just keep applying and you are sure to get hired, as long as you are not a criminal, etc. |
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