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reimund



Joined: 01 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: "Noonchi" amounts to nothing but... Reply with quote

... mind-reading and judging?

That's what I've gathered about this supposedly elusive "noonchi." In my opinion, it's unhealthy, and I think it's one of the many reasons Westerners have a difficult time here. In general, Americans discourage judging others (although to say that it doesn't happen is of course false), and it seems they have a hard time adjusting to the sort of judgmental environment here.

Your thoughts?
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think noonchi 눈치 is more the ability to read a room or a person. Not read character, but more things like day to day emotions. It replaces the need to be animated in facial expression like us foreigners are.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: "Noonchi" amounts to nothing but... Reply with quote

reimund wrote:
... mind-reading and judging?

That's what I've gathered about this supposedly elusive "noonchi." In my opinion, it's unhealthy, and I think it's one of the many reasons Westerners have a difficult time here. In general, Americans discourage judging others (although to say that it doesn't happen is of course false), and it seems they have a hard time adjusting to the sort of judgmental environment here.

Your thoughts?


I have found Koreans lacking in "noochi" if the truth be told. Koreans are blunt, singled minded, me first, get out of the way, people. Civil society takes a rear, backward, third seat here.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: "Noonchi" amounts to nothing but... Reply with quote

reimund wrote:
... mind-reading and judging?

That's what I've gathered about this supposedly elusive "noonchi." In my opinion, it's unhealthy, and I think it's one of the many reasons Westerners have a difficult time here. In general, Americans discourage judging others (although to say that it doesn't happen is of course false), and it seems they have a hard time adjusting to the sort of judgmental environment here.

Your thoughts?



Umm, sorry I have to disagree. N�nchi is not as elusive as you might think. I am able to use it quite effectively even though I am not from Korea. It is a skill that comes with practice. It is a kind of insight and reaching out with feelings (6th sense, I guess). You can judge a situation, with what information know and then add the "what do you think will happen" to it. On the contrary to what you wrote, it is very healthy!!!!!!!
N�nchi also enables people to determine relevant status. This is the culture in 99.9999% of Asia. It is a VERY necessary part of high context cultures.

it is complicated to explain, but you need a grip of the culture to get an idea of what to do. -- I lived in Japan for years and they have a similar concept there as well. I developed this as a survival skill.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: "Noonchi" amounts to nothing but... Reply with quote

delete.. ??

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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: "Noonchi" amounts to nothing but... Reply with quote

delete.. ??

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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was just the ability to take a hint.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

눈치 is like 정 and "face". Too much gets made of it.
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

samd wrote:
눈치 is like 정 and "face". Too much gets made of it.

Add gochu jang to that list.
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okokok



Joined: 27 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Koreans have words like this that westerners cannot possibly understand the meaning of.

Forunately, we foreigners also have a few words that Koreans cannot possibly grasp, such as dignity and character.
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PeteJB



Joined: 06 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's simple. If someone is depressed, you use your 눈치 to observe that they are depressed and try to cheer them up. Or, if you think someone might not like the food you and your friends are about to enjoy, you try to get them something else. Theres nothing complicated about it. It's just a way of putting this particular action of considering another persons thoughts into a single word.
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Freakstar



Joined: 29 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noonchi was discussed at length in this thread.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=130115&highlight=noonchi
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