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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: When ordering a hamburger.... |
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Do you ask for a "hamburger"?
Or do you as for a "ham-bug-guh"?
Do you tell Koreans you play "golf", or "golpuh"?
Sometimes I feel like a complete idiot when I have to say English/International words whilst speaking Korean. I suppose lots of French people feel the same when talking to idiotic North Americans. |
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aphase
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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for me it would depend on how good their english is. i always try saying it the correct way first, and if that doesn't work the first couple of tries i'll do it their way. |
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zpeanut

Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Location: Pohang, Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Doing it their way is usually faster, especially if you're just ordering food.
This way there is less chance of any 'misunderstandings'. |
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fustiancorduroy
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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When speaking Korean I always use Korean pronunciation. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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fustiancorduroy wrote: |
When speaking Korean I always use Korean pronunciation. |
High five!
(Seriously, why would anyone take the longer route to being understood?) |
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NightSky
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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heck, I've even started doing it by accident when there's no need, such as talking about my pah-tuh-tah-eem job when with english speakers... |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Ah, Konglish. The first linguistic casualty of English teachers in Korea. Seriously though, if you're going to try to speak Korean, speak Korean! Don't mix it up with English pronunciations. If a French person came up to you and said "Could I have a 'conversah-shi-on' (Fr pron.) with you?", you'd be biting your lip to keep from laughing in their face! |
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Ginormousaurus

Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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If I'm speaking to someone I don't know, I always use Korean. It may sound stupid to you to say "ham-buh-guh", but to them it is perfectly normal and you'll be understood immediately. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
fustiancorduroy wrote: |
When speaking Korean I always use Korean pronunciation. |
High five!
(Seriously, why would anyone take the longer route to being understood?) |
Exactly. I can't imagine being such an uptight douche that I felt the need to point out to EVERY Korean that they pronounce our words wrong. The point of language is to facilitate communication between people; actively hindering that is counterproductive and a HUGE waste of time. |
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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Location: Mullae
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Facilitate communication by reinforcing incorrect pronunciation!? Must be a new technique.  |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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... just don't order it at Lotteria.  |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
...point out to EVERY Korean that they pronounce our words wrong. |
The problem is that they're not pronouncing OUR word wrong, they're pronouncing THEIR word correctly.
Poemer wrote: |
Facilitate communication by reinforcing incorrect pronunciation!? |
It's not incorrect pronunciation if you're speaking Korean. Korean and English are different languages. True, they have some of the same words, but they are not pronounced the same way. When speaking Korean, use Korean pronunciation. When speaking English, use English pronunciation.
Do Americans pronounce "theatre" incorrectly when they say "thee ate er" instead of the correct French pronunciation "tay at tre" (I know that's really bad writing of the French pronunciation)? NO! The word may be the same, but the pronunciations are different because they're different languages! |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Poemer wrote:
"Facilitate communication by reinforcing incorrect pronunciation!? Must be a new technique."
do you realize how many french words you used in that ^ sentence? you are hereby required to pronounce the above:
"Fa-cil-i-TAT com-mun-i-ca-TION by ray-EN-for-CING EN-cor-RECT pro-NUN-ci-a-TION."
(sorry to french speakers for characterizing your accent so stereotypically) |
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Poemer
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Location: Mullae
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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The English language has its roots in so many other languages that it would be impractical to pronounce every loan word and word of foreign origin "correctly" But, I am conscious of those roots and the fact that I am ignoring them in favor of American pronunciation. I COULD say that sentence with a french accent, if I wished. Many Koreans, however, cannot pronounce hamburger "correctly", and it doesn't help when English speakers reinforce "incorrect" pronunciation. I am not going to pronounce "이" as Lee when I go back to the US, because it is wrong. I am not going to pronounce "hamburger" as hembuguh, if I can avoid it, because it is wrong. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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The same way you'll never pronounced Hyundai the way it's pronounced in the West after hearing how it's *actually* pronounced. |
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