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rippa
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Negotiating a "Just like Koreans" job |
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I'm negotiating a tenured post at my university. It's precedent-setting in that they've not hired non-Koreans before in the regular professorial track.
The first idea from the administrators is a hiring "just like Korean faculty."
I'm somewhat skeptical.
First, I'm not Korean and there's little benefit in pretending I am - I barely speak the language (though I am keen to study & learn).
More substantively, I've been working as a professor on contract. In their (preliminary) calculation, I would lose those years of seniority and service (in respect to sabbaticals, etc.) But Korean professors are not hired in that same way at all.
The new formula also would not allow continued living in foreign faculty housing (as the job is as 'regular' faculty). But don't foreigners have special problems with obtaining housing in Korea (unwilling landlords; difficult to get bank mortgages, etc.)?
Even if on campus they "treat me like a Korean" ... there are probably many other off-campus impediments and costs to foreigners living in Korea. What are these?
I don't know that the administration is completely unreasonable; there is latitude for discussion; their first position is for them the easiest way (but in many ways unfavorable for me).
I'm hoping to hear of for suggested cases or conditions that might help in negotiating more reasonable conditions for me or similar people in future.
Many Thanks for any ideas or suggestions! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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What is your visa status. IT DOES make a difference.
IF you are F2, or F5, then tenure track is an option.
If you are NOT F2/F5 then you CANNOT legally have a tenured position under immigration rules. You can ONLY be a "visiting professor" with a maximum contract period of 2 years under an E1.
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rippa
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
What is your visa status. IT DOES make a difference.
IF you are F2, or F5, then tenure track is an option.
If you are NOT F2/F5 then you CANNOT legally have a tenured position under immigration rules. You can ONLY be a "visiting professor" with a maximum contract period of 2 years under an E1.
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Nice point! I'm E1 now. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Thread paging PRagic, will PRagic please answer the white courtesy phone. |
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rippa
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
What is your visa status. IT DOES make a difference.
IF you are F2, or F5, then tenure track is an option.
If you are NOT F2/F5 then you CANNOT legally have a tenured position under immigration rules. You can ONLY be a "visiting professor" with a maximum contract period of 2 years under an E1.
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So can I get such F2 or F5 visa? Or another that allows such a contract (I thought the rules were becoming more flexible for professors...)?
Any other shortcomings to a "just the same as Koreans" contract?
What weaknesses / costs do non-Koreans have here? |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| rippa wrote: |
So can I get such F2 or F5 visa? Or another that allows such a contract (I thought the rules were becoming more flexible for professors...)?
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You have to be married to a Korean for an F-2. You have to have an F-2 for 5 years (if I remember right) to get an F-5. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| rippa wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
What is your visa status. IT DOES make a difference.
IF you are F2, or F5, then tenure track is an option.
If you are NOT F2/F5 then you CANNOT legally have a tenured position under immigration rules. You can ONLY be a "visiting professor" with a maximum contract period of 2 years under an E1.
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So can I get such F2 or F5 visa? Or another that allows such a contract (I thought the rules were becoming more flexible for professors...)?
Any other shortcomings to a "just the same as Koreans" contract?
What weaknesses / costs do non-Koreans have here? |
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp
Scroll down to E1:
A. The Object of Visa Issuance
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
* In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
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D. Visa Issuance
When the application is approved, the chief of a Korean Embassy or Consulate abroad shall affix a visa stamp in the passport of the applicant. On a visa stamp, there are the status of sojourn(E-1), period of stay(less than 2 years) and validity of a visa.
2 choices, marry a Korean or pick another country if you desire tenure.
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| rippa wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
What is your visa status. IT DOES make a difference.
IF you are F2, or F5, then tenure track is an option.
If you are NOT F2/F5 then you CANNOT legally have a tenured position under immigration rules. You can ONLY be a "visiting professor" with a maximum contract period of 2 years under an E1.
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So can I get such F2 or F5 visa? Or another that allows such a contract (I thought the rules were becoming more flexible for professors...)?
Any other shortcomings to a "just the same as Koreans" contract?
What weaknesses / costs do non-Koreans have here? |
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp
Scroll down to E1:
A. The Object of Visa Issuance
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
* In the case of a national or a public University, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
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D. Visa Issuance
When the application is approved, the chief of a Korean Embassy or Consulate abroad shall affix a visa stamp in the passport of the applicant. On a visa stamp, there are the status of sojourn(E-1), period of stay(less than 2 years) and validity of a visa.
2 choices, marry a Korean or pick another country if you desire tenure.
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... or just find a private uni ... |
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