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The confessions of an economic hit man!
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: The confessions of an economic hit man! Reply with quote

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This is how the world works, how our financial elites use corporations and banks to gain control over second and third world nations.

If you see that the second and third world nations are corrupt, there is a reason for that, and it is that the first world copratocracy forces them to be corrupt.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ribF3Y6Icl8
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: The confessions of an economic hit man! Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
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This is how the world works, how our financial elites use corporations and banks to gain control over second and third world nations.

If you see that the second and third world nations are corrupt, there is a reason for that, and it is that the first world copratocracy forces them to be corrupt.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ribF3Y6Icl8


Could you summarize three major points of this video and the evidence for it?
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Well, it's got a very superficial premise: that 'evil' America goes around the world forcing innocent 3rd world countries into taking loans from the world bank, which then get spent on contracting out 'evil' American corporations to build up the counties' crap infrastructure, thereby putting the countries into debt (the debt being the means by which the 'evil' American 'empire' enthralls the world). No real elaborations given, but he tries to compensate for lack of substance by pointing out how much 'street cred' he's got as a former so-called 'economics hit man'. Comes off as pretty pretentious, like he's forcing the issue. Basically it's like Chomsky with less food for thought...

As you'd expect, he fails to question in any way why those poor countries were so poor that they agreed to loans from the US (and hire US companies, since they lack the ability to build up their own infrastructures/industries without us) in the first place and ignore the benefits that capitalist build-up brings.

It's just the same old America is evil and exploitative, the 3rd world is the victim and would be better off without us, yadda yadda yadda. You get the picture.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a very interesting book from a first person account. The claims are neither new or conspiratorial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
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ernie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly ^. his premise is that rich nations inflate estimates, bribe leaders, and basically fool countries into buying into the global economic model. it's not a conspiracy theory, it was his JOB. at least read the book.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're posting at me, I never said it was a "conspiracy", just that it seemed shallow and with a heavy anti-American bias. I'm only basing my opinion on the youtube clip that was posted here (and other interviews of him on there, which were all the same). But to be fair I haven't read his book, not that I'm really intrigued to do so after hearing what he had to say in those clips.
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitorq wrote:
^ Well, it's got a very superficial premise: that 'evil' America goes around the world forcing innocent 3rd world countries into taking loans from the world bank, which then get spent on contracting out 'evil' American corporations to build up the counties' crap infrastructure, thereby putting the countries into debt (the debt being the means by which the 'evil' American 'empire' enthralls the world). No real elaborations given, but he tries to compensate for lack of substance by pointing out how much 'street cred' he's got as a former so-called 'economics hit man'. Comes off as pretty pretentious, like he's forcing the issue. Basically it's like Chomsky with less food for thought...

As you'd expect, he fails to question in any way why those poor countries were so poor that they agreed to loans from the US (and hire US companies, since they lack the ability to build up their own infrastructures/industries without us) in the first place and ignore the benefits that capitalist build-up brings.

It's just the same old America is evil and exploitative, the 3rd world is the victim and would be better off without us, yadda yadda yadda. You get the picture.


I don't think it says Americans are evil, but that unrestrained capitalism is.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was joking about the 'evil' bit, but it's not far off. Why do these guys never mention the benefits of capitalism? How come they never question why most of these countries were so sh*t-poor in the first place that they need American investment? Do think poor countries are entitled to wealth for no reason (ie. something for nothing)? They always talk about exploitation, but leave out the fact that these countries are far wealthier now both overall and per capita (because of US investment and trade) than they used to be, and that the poor used to be even poorer.

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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who are these guys?

This is just the testimony of someone who worked as one.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
Who's these guys?

This is just the testimony of someone who worked as one.

Sorry, I should clarify - I'm simply generalizing about leftist academic types (that guy apparently being one of them), who all seem to speak the same language. They're a dime a dozen.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

again: read the damn book. it's not that long. this guy's JOB was doing the exact things the "leftist academic types" say is wrong about unrestrained global capitalism. his writing is about as far from 'academic' as you can get. i read your argument before i criticized it, so you should at least read his before you pass judgment.

the reason he doesn't show the benefits of capitalism is because you can find that viewpoint anytime you want - turn on the TV or open a newspaper. he's talking about HIS experiences. he did a lot of slimy stuff to make a quick buck at the expense of the people who needed help the most, and he now realizes that his actions were wrong.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
again: read the damn book. it's not that long. this guy's JOB was doing the exact things the "leftist academic types" say is wrong about unrestrained global capitalism. his writing is about as far from 'academic' as you can get. i read your argument before i criticized it, so you should at least read his before you pass judgment.

the reason he doesn't show the benefits of capitalism is because you can find that viewpoint anytime you want - turn on the TV or open a newspaper. he's talking about HIS experiences. he did a lot of slimy stuff to make a quick buck at the expense of the people who needed help the most, and he now realizes that his actions were wrong.

I don't have the damn book. I was just replying to the youtube video posted about that guy during an interview. I could give you the benefit of the doubt and say the book offers a different insight than he did in person in those interviews, but I kinda doubt it. And with so many good books in the world to read, why should I bother with his?

You're right that he doesn't seem like much of an academic, but I'm always suspicious of guys like this claiming they did all these 'bad' things for many years, coming out suddenly and writing a book on it, denouncing the 'system', while themselves getting rich off selling said books which cater to the left. He was without a doubt hyping his credentials (calling himself a 'hit man' for one), but there was pretty little substance to his actual argument in that interview. And people lie in their confessions all the time.
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jim_we



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can download it in audio form from Demonoid.com.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
I don't think it says Americans are evil, but that unrestrained capitalism is.


Well, volunteer your business for the first restriction.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:

I don't think it says Americans are evil, but that unrestrained capitalism is.


Sorry, but a government pressuring and manipulating a foreign government for market access etc is NOT capitalism.
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