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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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That seems like a rather extreme claim. But looking at the numbers put out by the Tax Policy Center, its clear that McCain would cut a lot of taxes. The problem with the Jonathan Cohn analysis is that he presumes a certain amount of spending. While its probably safe to be pessimistic about a President's ability to curb excess spending, perhaps particularly when McCain would inherit a Democratic Congress, it seems hard to predict even when we can crunch the numbers on McCain's proposals.
I guess there's a way to find out, but unless somebody's crunched all the data and numbers, its almost an impossible question. And really, I'm too lazy to do the research.
But damn, its an interesting question; which is why I posted at all. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: $8.5 TRILLION in NEW Debt. Thanks, John McCain! |
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When you short the dollar like George Soros, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet has, then you get what the US economy is in right now. They all knew the dollar was going to tumble so they made billions on it.
What happens when the dollar goes down? Oil goes up.
This is an economic warfare being waged by the economic elites and screwing the little people. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Don't tax cuts increase productivity?
Europe has higher taxes than the US. Who has and had a better economy?
I don't think all the tax cuts he proposes will come into effect anyway. He just said what he did to appeal to conservatives.
I personally would like to see the Bush tax cut of 2000 expire and replace it with lower cooperate taxes.
Obama wants to raise capital gains taxes that isn't a good idea either. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Greenspan: Country can't afford McCain's tax cuts
WASHINGTON - Alan Greenspan says the country can't afford tax cuts of the magnitude proposed by Republican presidential contender John McCain � at least not without a corresponding reduction in government spending.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080913/ap_on_el_pr/mccain |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Don't tax cuts increase productivity? |
To a point. There's a sweet spot where you can maximize returns without restricting too much business investment and activity.
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Europe has higher taxes than the US. Who has and had a better economy? |
We both know that Europe's corporate taxes are much lower. You've said so yourself before.
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Obama wants to raise capital gains taxes that isn't a good idea either. |
Obama's 20% capital gains rate will only apply to individuals/couple making over $250,000. Its not my favorite part of his plan, but this is a modest proposal given our entitlement exposure and our current deficit, to say nothing of our current national public debt, which is approaching a full year's worth of GDP. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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The addition of 8.5 to the already existing debt would force a move on the sovereign credit rating of the US. That would be rather unpleasant. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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What will happen when it's been determined that America went too far in debt and the country can't no longer service its' huge debt? Will our bank accounts, real estate, and national parks become not ours anymore? Will all Americans be required to give up all valuables to pay the national debt? Will the rich upper crust be effected 1st or last? Who will be responsible for the gross negligence?
What will happen during the new presidency? Time will only tell. It's very doable to turn things around, but unlikely that will happen. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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8.5 trillion over 10 years is 6.2% of US GDP per year |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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What will happen during the new presidency? Time will only tell. It's very doable to turn things around, but unlikely that will happen. |
Sorry, it's over. Face it.
The only difference at this point between America and a banana republic is size.
We are witnessing the death of America, in slow motion.
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September 14, 2008
Wall St. Goliath Teeters Amid Fear of Wider Crisis
By VIKAS BAJAJ
Fearing that Lehman Brothers is only days away from collapse, government officials and senior Wall Street executives met on Saturday to try to arrest a downward spiral that might imperil other financial institutions.
For a second day, the group convened at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in Lower Manhattan, but the situation remained fluid, and the talks were set to resume on Sunday morning .
Adding urgency to the meeting were growing concerns that other big financial institutions like the insurance giant American International Group and the nation�s largest brokerage firm, Merrill Lynch, might face a similar crisis and also need billions of dollars in capital to strengthen their businesses. The group discussed the financial condition of other firms beyond Lehman and the overall state of the markets.
The spreading troubles were the latest sign that even the government�s extraordinary interventions into private enterprise during the last year have not been enough to halt the unraveling of storied companies that were widely viewed as unassailable until recently. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/business/14spiral.html?hp=&pagewanted=all
America is on life support. It's only fitting that we elect a 72-year-old president who could spend much of his four-year term on life support, if he is struck with a terminal illness.
It is over, and it doesn't really matter, anymore.
At the end of Bill Clinton's presidency, the U.S. was running a surplus. If it had continued, and we had had some leadership, we might have had time to solve some of our fundamental problems. That time has passed.
We are hemorrhaging money through the war in Iraq, irresponsible tax cuts, an economy in disarray with massive corporate collapses, home foreclosures of epic proportions, skyrocketing energy prices and consequent inflation.
It is extremely difficult to fight inflation and recession in the best of times, which these most certainly are not.
America is bankrupt.
I had thought that this might be a good thing, making the U.S. too poor to ever invade another country. But then I realized the only profitable role left is as an army for hire. That is already our role in the Middle East, protecting the Arab oil producers so they don't have to have an army.
We should just make it official, and send the bill to any right or left wing dictator that wants our military services.
Make military service a requisite for collecting unemployment. If enough people lose their jobs during the ongoing economic downturn, we could have a pretty sizeable army.
Aside from that option, there's no way out.
Let the Republicans try to clean up the mess they made.
I'm voting McPain in November.
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