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Ya-ta Boy
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 Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Signs of Trouble in the McCain/Palin Camp |
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There is something weird going on with McCain and Palin. She's more popular than he is. Only big egos run for president and McCain is now finding himself in the uncomfortable position of having his lead in the polls owed to people who want him to drop dead so his 'assistant' can take over. He's being forced to keep her with him so people come out to the rallies.
"This was a striking week to see the contrast between McCain and Palin together and the dimmed wattage around the nominee when they are apart."
"Music blared and people roared as the Arizona senator and his high-energy running mate took the stage. "I am so grateful for this turnout," McCain enthused. Aides grinned ear-to-ear. The crowd shouted "Sarah, Sarah" and women who showed up said they were excited to learn about her life and accomplishments."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_without_palin
Question: When John McCain went to that crossroads at midnight, did he discover that the devil was wearing a blue dress? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like Kremlinology. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| That works, too but I had in mind Tiberius and Caligula although others might prefer Claudius and Nero. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Before the thread gets too far off track, the main point of the article is that two weeks after the veep announcement, McCain still hasn't re-won the headlines from his hand-picked nominee. Palin is overshadowing him both in the media and at the rallies. Alone, he's not drawing the crowds.
That cannot be good. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Before the thread gets too far off track, the main point of the article is that two weeks after the veep announcement, McCain still hasn't re-won the headlines from his hand-picked nominee. Palin is overshadowing him both in the media and at the rallies. Alone, he's not drawing the crowds.
That cannot be good. |
Its very good for McCain though...because the Palin lovers will vote McCain simply because Palin is on the ticket.
This was a risky move but seems to be working out for McCain |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| This was a risky move but seems to be working out for McCain... |
Thus the other side's ferocious attack, predicated, at times, such as the very one Ya-ta Boy cites, above: "He walked her to the tarmac! What does that mean?" |
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Kikomom
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Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher, 'tarmac' is where they park aircraft. Also called an apron.
And if you hear McCain speak (he's been on some sit-down interviews), basically he's trashing everything the R's have done the past eight years. How can any self-respecting Republican take that? Especially after voting for Shrub and being such loyal followers?
NOW they want to change DC? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Its very good for McCain though...because the Palin lovers will vote McCain simply because Palin is on the ticket.
This was a risky move but seems to be working out for McCain |
You may well be right, but it is not certain. Will McCain start catching the glow from Palin or will people who like her just keep track of her name till '12? I know of no other presidential candidate who rode into office on the coattails of a veep candidate. It's unusual to say the least. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
Rats fleeing the ship. Thank God. Enjoy Russia.  |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
I generally agree they would be worse for America. Largely because of issues relating to war/foreign policy. But do you think it would really be bad enough to leave? Bush has been terrible and the economy is in shambles (due mostly to the Fed, IMO) but the country hasn't melted down. What about them do you fear? Krugman suggests their strong dishonesty thus far would be terrible but I don't know how much damage they could do with the other levers of power controlled by Dems. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
Rats fleeing the ship. Thank God. Enjoy Russia. |
Indeed (and I rarely agree with fiveeagles). You'll be just like all those Hollywood types who swore up and down that they'd leave the country were W elected/reelected.
Horseapples, I say! |
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Join Me
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I still think a major mistake was made when Palin was tapped to be VP. After this initial attraction with her fades people will start to focus on the facts (hopefully). The facts are that she doesn't have the experience for the job and some of the things she has done in the past raise some serious questions about her maturity and judgment. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
I generally agree they would be worse for America. Largely because of issues relating to war/foreign policy. But do you think it would really be bad enough to leave? Bush has been terrible and the economy is in shambles (due mostly to the Fed, IMO) but the country hasn't melted down. What about them do you fear? Krugman suggests their strong dishonesty thus far would be terrible but I don't know how much damage they could do with the other levers of power controlled by Dems. |
Softball question. I think they would do significant damage. Just today you had Pakistan (a state with nukes) who said that if the U.S. continues on its current path, they will be forced to withdraw out of supporting the U.S. in the region.
I could see Obama/Biden working WITH nations, but I see McCain/Palin working AGAINST nations. If Palin were to get into Presidential power, which is a possibility, she more than anyone believes that God wants us to be at war with muslims and kill muslims, etc. I don't think official states who would even want to support us be able to work with that.
Personally I do not wish to see my country, the U.S.A., run into the ground by religious fanatics, neither if they are from muslims abroad (NOT likely under EITHER potential administration) and particularly not from religious fanatics domestically. I see significant more damage done from within with Palin on any ticket.
Domestically, forget about that. Republicans have NO interest in ANYTHING domestically. Those things will continue to be run into the ground to unfathonable numbers just to increase the military expenditures and ventures abroad into new nations.
The other thing all rightwing lunatics forget is the more bombing and killing you do abroad, the more refugees you bring in from it. Just today reading the news, the are letting in tens of thousands of Iraqis into the U.S. giving them free passport and citizenship. Keep bombing and destroying more of the Middle East, and soon most of the Middle East will be 'refugees' living across all 50 States. I'm for SOME immigration, but not massive refugees from countries we're constantly bombing and at war with. That last paragraph is just frustration at the entire process at work here. I realize that there are good people in those countries, but I know most christian americans would rather kill them all, and I dont necessarily want the two being nextdoor neighbors because I know how some Americans are towards immigrants anyways.
Lastly, Palin is plan for dealing with the oil crisis is to drill Alaska to kingdom come looking for it. Sure, spends gazillions of dollars looking it up there, or develop ANOTHER alternative energy source IMMEDIATELY. Palin would rather drill Alaska to bits. There were other possible oil sources in the Gulf of Mexico, but apparently it takes a good 15 years to make them usable and before they would have any effect on gas prices. So those years searching around and drilling in Alaska just looking could be put MUCH MORE BETTER PUT TO USE financially and timewise by looking the many other sources discussed out there, which just don't have any backing by the govt to be made to happen. But McCain/Palin seem to really like the long-term OIL-DEPENDENT future with NO OTHER OPTIONS ideas of poking around Alaska and putting all their many oil buddies to work with more govt money (the Bush/Cheney full-on oil-oriented policies continue to be at play).
So in essense, domestically we are doomed, and all money goes to other nations to kill bomb destroy and bring back the refugees to work the 7-11 or security jobs or whatever else they will do. What kind of vision for the future is that? |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ReeseDog wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| If McCain/Palin wins on November 4th, I'm sure as shit going to do my best to get a job outside the USA when I finish grad school next June. I agree with Krugman's op-ed today: that duo would be WORSE for this country than Bush/Cheney. |
Rats fleeing the ship. Thank God. Enjoy Russia. |
Indeed (and I rarely agree with fiveeagles). You'll be just like all those Hollywood types who swore up and down that they'd leave the country were W elected/reelected.
Horseapples, I say! |
Well I said do my best  .
And if you really think this country is better now than in 2000, do tell where you live because it is one of the few bright spots in this country. Either that or you're in denial. |
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