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CabbageTownRoyals



Joined: 14 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Why does this not surprise me? Reply with quote

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10533337

TB tourist flown home at taxpayers' cost

New Zealanders were forced to cough up $330,000 for a secret charter flight to return a tourist to South Korea after she arrived here with a potentially fatal and infectious illness.

The 67-year-old arrived on an Korean Air flight, aware she had a deadly form of tuberculosis, but hid her medications so she could get through our border control. She spent days with her daughter before visiting a doctor and was then isolated for months in Auckland Hospital.

Commercial airlines refused to carry the woman and the chartered jet had to be fitted with a negative pressure chamber, designed for the SARS epidemic, to ensure the pilots did not catch the illness.

The flight, organised by the New Zealand Immigration Service and Ministry of Health, took off at 3am to "avoid media scrutiny" and cost $330,000, according to a paper written on the case by Dr Margaret Wilsher, the president of the Auckland medico-legal society.

She wrote that the woman had "extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis and was untreatable and hence incurable - and worse she was highly infectious". The woman spent nearly three months in hospital - care for such cases costs about $2700 a day - taking the bill to more than $500,000.

The woman's daughter, who lives in New Zealand, helped organise her mother's trip with the full knowledge she had untreatable TB, and told medical staff that she hid her medications "so her state of health would not be detected at the border".

The woman was in New Zealand on a three-month visitor permit to see her daughter. She was not health-screened at the border because she entered the country on a visa waiver scheme.

She later went to her daughter's doctor in Auckland, complaining of chest pains, before being confined in isolation at Auckland City Hospital.

Doctors decided the public health risk was too great and broke patient confidentiality to alert the Immigration Service. The revelations have only just come to light and, despite the woman being returned home on May 5, 2005, the fallout from this case may be far from over.

It is also an illustration of the cost of foreign patients on the New Zealand health system.

The medical paper states authorities have been unable to ascertain whether any fellow passengers and air crew on her flight to New Zealand were traced and screened - as recommended by World Health Organisation guidelines.

The Herald on Sunday spoke with three Korean Air staff - a communications spokesman, the airport manager and another staffer - and none could recall the TB passenger case or if fellow passengers had been notified.

One said the passengers were unlikely to have been contacted because passengers' phone details were not recorded.

Immigration head Andrew Annakin said in a written statement that the Immigration Service had confidence in its screening programmes.

He said applicants for permanent residency must have an acceptable standard of health "to minimise costs and demands on New Zealand's health services". This is proven by a medical and chest X-ray certificate.

Temporary entrants of up to 12 months must also undergo the checks. But, he said, some health costs were incurred by people here on short-term visits, such as in the woman's case.

"Since approximately two-and-a-half million short-term visitors arrive in New Zealand every year, it would be highly impractical to make every visitor and tourist go through an expensive screening process," he said.

Annakin said that the assertion non-New Zealanders "suck up the health dollars at the expense of New Zealanders is completely false".

Immigration Minister Clayton Cosgrove declined to comment, saying foreign patients were an "operational matter" for the Labour Department to comment on. However, his office tried instead to be quoted on attacking the National Party's immigration policy .

National's health spokesman Tony Ryall said taxpayers would want to know if the $330,000 flight was the cheapest option.

What is TB?

Tuberculosis affects the lungs in 80 per cent of cases.

A persistent cough, weight loss and night sweats are some symptoms of the disease.

A Ministry of Health media release in March said people who have had a cough for no obvious reason for longer than three weeks, particularly if they had been in contact with someone who has TB, should visit their doctor.

On average there are about 400 cases of TB diagnosed in New Zealand each year.

It is spread by breathing in infected droplets that have been breathed or coughed out by a person with TB.

The disease can progress at different rates but can be cured if treated early with antibiotics.

About two million people die from it worldwide each year.


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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What point are you trying to make with your title?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's veiled Korea bashing, I'm thinking. Rolling Eyes
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Yesterday



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her daughter (the Korean lady living in NZ) should also be kicked out of the country....

She knowingly and willingly helped her mother travel to and live in NZ - and in the process endangered the "wellbeing" and health and lives of all other passengers at the airport, on the airplane (asiana) and people in NZ and also herself...

and NZ should have let the media have a field day with it -

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CabbageTownRoyals



Joined: 14 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
It's veiled Korea bashing, I'm thinking. Rolling Eyes


pretty much.

and Yesterday said....
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She knowingly and willingly helped her mother travel to and live in NZ - and in the process endangered the "wellbeing" and health and lives of all other passengers at the airport, on the airplane (asiana) and people in NZ and also herself...

Of course not all Koreans are like this, but there is definitely less concern per-capita for others health/well-being. The number of times I've been sneezed-on on the subway is unbelievable, I've actually felt the spray hit my face, SO disgusting, I hate that about the subways here, many people don't cover their faces when they cough/sneeze, wtf..
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CabbageTownRoyals



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and btw...I heard very recently from a very reliable source (a doctor at a local Uni hospital in fact) that the level of TB in South Korea is 'worrying' as she put it. Much higher than anyone cares to admit and its not treated anywhere near as serious as it is back home. Plus, with the lack of hand-cleaning, the restaurant culture here and close proximity of people in urban areas, it is quite easily transmittable. I don't worry about it too much, just try and avoid getting sneezed-on and wash my hands as much as possible...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and btw...I heard very recently from a very reliable source (a doctor at a local Uni hospital in fact) that the level of TB in South Korea is 'worrying' as she put it. Much higher than anyone cares to admit and its not treated anywhere near as serious as it is back home. Plus, with the lack of hand-cleaning, the restaurant culture here and close proximity of people in urban areas, it is quite easily transmittable. I don't worry about it too much, just try and avoid getting sneezed-on and wash my hands as much as possible...

yes

one of the biggest irritations coming here four months ago was landing and going through the stupid medical test at a supposedly university medical hospital here in a southern province

what a joke...i won't go into all the details here, another thread

but the question regarding this topic of TB is if we are all made to go through the testing, why don't they do it to their own teachers and general population? especially if Korea already has so much TB.

it is ludicrous to make us go through more xrays which i don't need after having them done in other places. make the koreans go through it. this is where the TB is

why isn't it done?

lack of logic and science
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last time I went for the health test, I went with a fellow Korean teacher. He was subjected to the same tests I was. Which included a blood test, X-ray and the pee in the cup test. I think Korean teachers have the same tests done.

As for complaining why you have to go through extra stuff, what do you expect? You are the foreigner. Foreigners in all countries are subjected to additional requirements.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrRogers wrote:
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and btw...I heard very recently from a very reliable source (a doctor at a local Uni hospital in fact) that the level of TB in South Korea is 'worrying' as she put it. Much higher than anyone cares to admit and its not treated anywhere near as serious as it is back home. Plus, with the lack of hand-cleaning, the restaurant culture here and close proximity of people in urban areas, it is quite easily transmittable. I don't worry about it too much, just try and avoid getting sneezed-on and wash my hands as much as possible...

... why don't they do it to their own teachers and general population? especially if Korea already has so much TB.

it is ludicrous to make us go through more xrays which i don't need after having them done in other places. make the koreans go through it. this is where the TB is
why isn't it done? lack of logic and science

TB Infections in Korea Highest in OECD
Chosun Ilbo (March 23, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503230041.html
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Korea has the highest rate of new tuberculosis infections in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development with more than 30,000 people contracting the disease every year....

About 170,000 Korean people are being treated for TB. They can spread the disease any time. Ninety-one people out of 100,000 are infected with TB in Korea every year, compared to five in the U.S., 12 in the U.K., and 33 in Japan....
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CabbageTownRoyals



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503230041.html
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Korea has the highest rate of new tuberculosis infections in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development with more than 30,000 people contracting the disease every year....

About 170,000 Korean people are being treated for TB. They can spread the disease any time. Ninety-one people out of 100,000 are infected with TB in Korea every year, compared to five in the U.S., 12 in the U.K., and 33 in Japan....


lets hope that doesn't include the arjumma making your kimbab Rolling Eyes
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesnt surprise me really. by sharing the Jigae so often can lead to catching Tb..

also I cant blame the girl from bring her mother to NZ.. I mean she knew it would be free healthcare for her compared to korea where she would be left to die! In korea no money no treatment!
NZ FREE!!
they got what they wanted..
basically just to get treated. even thought there is no cure..
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Whirlwind



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should the rest of the world take care of Koreans? If the shoe was on the other foot, you can bet that Korea would shut the door. Korea needs to take care of its own people.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
Her daughter (the Korean lady living in NZ) should also be kicked out of the country....

She knowingly and willingly helped her mother travel to and live in NZ - and in the process endangered the "wellbeing" and health and lives of all other passengers at the airport, on the airplane (asiana) and people in NZ and also herself...

and NZ should have let the media have a field day with it - just to show the world how sneaky and decieving Koreans are...



I agree that the daughter should be made to leave New Zealand since she abused New Zealand's immigration laws. I can understand the daughter loves her mother, but she should visit her in Korea, then.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may well be veiled Korea bashing, but when you're carrying spit on the sole of your shoes into your home it is kinda deserved. When sick children and employees are forced back to school or badgered back into the office. When doctors think amputation is the best cure for gout. When there is little regard for germ theory in general then Korea should be bashed. Add a selfish adjuma and the people in this story gain little sympathy. Certainly Korea doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of behaviour(only a year ago there was a manhunt for a US TB-carrier), but if strains of TB like this are so dangerous then countries should take away their passports and inform immigration. If we can put men with beards on a no-fly list then we can put TB sufferers.
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Beej



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The really irksome part is the secrecy of it all. The Kiwis felt the need to keep it out of the media to protect Korean immigrants. PC garbage We all know what would have happened if this was a TB infected foreigner in Korea.
And a special charter flight? Should have put the woman on a little boat and told her to get rowing, Korea is that way.
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