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Yu_Bum_suk
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 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare state |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-pledges-internet-access-for-all-children-938934.html
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Parents are to receive vouchers worth up to �700 to ensure that all 1.4 million children growing up in homes without computers can have access to the internet, Gordon Brown will announce today. In his speech to the Labour conference, Mr Brown will trumpet the �300m scheme as evidence that the Government has not run out of steam and still has a radical agenda for the next 10 years.
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Surely this will save England's youth. I'm sure this will England's underpriviledged youth leap ahead making the best possible use of all the time they have on their hands. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-pledges-internet-access-for-all-children-938934.html
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Parents are to receive vouchers worth up to �700 to ensure that all 1.4 million children growing up in homes without computers can have access to the internet, Gordon Brown will announce today. In his speech to the Labour conference, Mr Brown will trumpet the �300m scheme as evidence that the Government has not run out of steam and still has a radical agenda for the next 10 years.
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Surely this will save England's youth. I'm sure this will England's underpriviledged youth leap ahead making the best possible use of all the time they have on their hands. |
Why is that so wrong? The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society. |
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Ukon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-pledges-internet-access-for-all-children-938934.html
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Parents are to receive vouchers worth up to �700 to ensure that all 1.4 million children growing up in homes without computers can have access to the internet, Gordon Brown will announce today. In his speech to the Labour conference, Mr Brown will trumpet the �300m scheme as evidence that the Government has not run out of steam and still has a radical agenda for the next 10 years.
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Surely this will save England's youth. I'm sure this will England's underpriviledged youth leap ahead making the best possible use of all the time they have on their hands. |
Why is that so wrong? The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society. |
Considering 95% of internet usage for most people is essentially fluff....I say they can go to the damn library if they want a PC...many schools have free computer labs...my college had more free pcs around campus than 30 pc bangs put together. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Ukon wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-pledges-internet-access-for-all-children-938934.html
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Parents are to receive vouchers worth up to �700 to ensure that all 1.4 million children growing up in homes without computers can have access to the internet, Gordon Brown will announce today. In his speech to the Labour conference, Mr Brown will trumpet the �300m scheme as evidence that the Government has not run out of steam and still has a radical agenda for the next 10 years.
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Surely this will save England's youth. I'm sure this will England's underpriviledged youth leap ahead making the best possible use of all the time they have on their hands. |
Why is that so wrong? The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society. |
Considering 95% of internet usage for most people is essentially fluff....I say they can go to the damn library if they want a PC...many schools have free computer labs...my college had more free pcs around campus than 30 pc bangs put together. |
Then the 'damned libraries' would be full. For a while I had no internet connection at home, and I had to wait for hours in the public library, just for my turn to use the pc for a limited time. I could not afford to use the internet cafes for more than 10 minutes at a time, either. I'm at one of the top universities in the country where I am currently living, and there is often a long long queue for students to get a pc. Sometimes the queue snakes 20 metres or so. It can be ridiculous. |
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cdninkorea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Then the 'damned libraries' would be full. For a while I had no internet connection at home, and I had to wait for hours in the public library, just for my turn to use the pc for a limited time. I could not afford to use the internet cafes for more than 10 minutes at a time, either. I'm at one of the top universities in the country where I am currently living, and there is often a long long queue for students to get a pc. Sometimes the queue snakes 20 metres or so. It can be ridiculous. |
In that case the money would be better used supplying more computers for libraries and university computer labs, as they are more likely to be used for work than if they were in homes. Considering that it's taxpayer money being used, that should be the priority. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Then the 'damned libraries' would be full. For a while I had no internet connection at home, and I had to wait for hours in the public library, just for my turn to use the pc for a limited time. I could not afford to use the internet cafes for more than 10 minutes at a time, either. I'm at one of the top universities in the country where I am currently living, and there is often a long long queue for students to get a pc. Sometimes the queue snakes 20 metres or so. It can be ridiculous. |
In that case the money would be better used supplying more computers for libraries and university computer labs, as they are more likely to be used for work than if they were in homes. Considering that it's taxpayer money being used, that should be the priority. |
Indeed - I'm sure that all those students in the queue waiting to do research for their papers will be happy to know that some unsupervised 12-year-old in a council house is surfing for pornography on his taxpayer purchased computer. |
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crash bang
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| access to the internet is a privilege, not a right |
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crash bang
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The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society.
you could pretty much say all that and more about a car. is having a car a right? wow. maybe the right-wingers are right. there IS a socialist conspiracy |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society.
you could pretty much say all that and more about a car. is having a car a right? wow. maybe the right-wingers are right. there IS a socialist conspiracy |
Come to think of it, all those deprived students would have to do is get pregnant or get a live-in girlfriend pregnant. Then the government will give them a computer and Internet access for free. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| is having a car a right? wow. maybe the right-wingers are right. |
No, but access to cheap public transport should be. Alternatively the poor should be given safe cycle-ways. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
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| is having a car a right? wow. maybe the right-wingers are right. |
No, but access to cheap public transport should be. |
Like in socialist paradises such as Korea. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
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Is that broadband or dial up? I say give them dial up--make them work if they want a faster connection.  |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Children now have a right to the Internet in welfare sta |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Ukon wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-pledges-internet-access-for-all-children-938934.html
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Parents are to receive vouchers worth up to �700 to ensure that all 1.4 million children growing up in homes without computers can have access to the internet, Gordon Brown will announce today. In his speech to the Labour conference, Mr Brown will trumpet the �300m scheme as evidence that the Government has not run out of steam and still has a radical agenda for the next 10 years.
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Surely this will save England's youth. I'm sure this will England's underpriviledged youth leap ahead making the best possible use of all the time they have on their hands. |
Why is that so wrong? The internet has become an integral part of daily life, and it's been a required component of both my postgraduate degrees, as well as (to some extent) my undergrad degree. It's being used in schools, and it's now one of modern life's everyday 'necessities.' If you don't have the internet, you are increasingly excluded from modern day society. |
Considering 95% of internet usage for most people is essentially fluff....I say they can go to the damn library if they want a PC...many schools have free computer labs...my college had more free pcs around campus than 30 pc bangs put together. |
Then the 'damned libraries' would be full. For a while I had no internet connection at home, and I had to wait for hours in the public library, just for my turn to use the pc for a limited time. I could not afford to use the internet cafes for more than 10 minutes at a time, either. I'm at one of the top universities in the country where I am currently living, and there is often a long long queue for students to get a pc. Sometimes the queue snakes 20 metres or so. It can be ridiculous. |
that's weird....my school was huge (20K students) and I never had to wait for a computer except maybe at final time. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| uh, YBS, hate to break it to you, but back home in Canada, it's illegal for a cable company to refuse someone basic cable. At least with the net, parents can conduct job hunts, kids can research papers, etc. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| uh, YBS, hate to break it to you, but back home in Canada, it's illegal for a cable company to refuse someone basic cable. At least with the net, parents can conduct job hunts, kids can research papers, etc. |
So what if you don't pay your bill? Can they not disconnect you? |
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