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Cornfed



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Coteacher wants me to teach like a Korean Reply with quote

One of my coteachers seems to want me to teach in the manner that Koreans seem to prefer, i.e. lecturing based on the text book while the students sit there passively, handing out lists words to be memorized etc. - the grammar translation method, I suppose. A minor reason that I am reluctant to do this is that the kids obviously won't learn anything. More importantly, doing this would render me a complete white elephant to an even greater extent than I am already.

It seems strange that some Koreans are so wedded to methods of teaching that are doomed to failure. They might be quite good teachers in other subjects, but they seem to have this blind spot when it comes to practical subjects like languages. I wonder what I should do. Just keep doing what I'm doing and hope for the best, I suppose.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Coteacher wants me to teach like a Korean Reply with quote

Cornfed wrote:
One of my coteachers seems to want me to teach in the manner that Koreans seem to prefer, i.e. lecturing based on the text book while the students sit there passively, handing out lists words to be memorized etc. - the grammar translation method, I suppose. A minor reason that I am reluctant to do this is that the kids obviously won't learn anything. More importantly, doing this would render me a complete white elephant to an even greater extent than I am already.

It seems strange that some Koreans are so wedded to methods of teaching that are doomed to failure. They might be quite good teachers in other subjects, but they seem to have this blind spot when it comes to practical subjects like languages. I wonder what I should do. Just keep doing what I'm doing and hope for the best, I suppose.


Didn't you know that GTM or being an assclown are the only two approaches Koreans can deal with?
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, we've been doing grammar, grammar, grammar in preparation for the midterm tests coming up. There's always a test coming up, isn't there? So I've been going through the material twice as fast, and finishing a chapter a day. It boils down to grammar instruction. Grammar instruction is fine, but it's really dificult for lower-level students. I'll explain something in English and demonstrate how it works, and then the Korean teacher will give a lengthy explanation in Korean. I usually teach from the book, and create activities around the substitution drills. However because of time constraints we've just been rushing through with no chance to actually use the new material. All for the sakeof "doing" all the chapters. "Finishing" the chapters isn't really accurate.

Sort of related, but my co-teacher got upset today when she was talking about all the new improvements coming to the E.O.Z. and I said something about it never being an English Only Zone. Certainly not unless I'm teaching alone or talkin to myself.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, well, I majored in Korean and took advanced classes at two different universities after I earned my degree. I never had a Korean teacher who taught like an American!

And we didn't want them to, either. Part of the great thing about learning from a native speaker is learning how they think and act, what they expect and detest, and how they manage individual communications. Tell your co-teacher to get a life.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photocopy your face, cut out the eyes and hand it to her.

'Here, wear this. Teachie my lesson. I'm off home'
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"if you walk like an egyptian!"
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remind her that there are other schools in your region that could utilize you better.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do what your co-teacher says. You are assisting her. Co-teachers can make or break you. If it really bothers you, transfer or find out if she'll be leaving soon.

Or talk to her and do half of what she wants and half of what you want. Fair enough.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Make or break you'? Funny stuff. How many people reading this were actually education or even ESL-teaching related majors?

I've said it time and time again. They get what they pay for. Teachers moved all the way over here because 'major and experience are not important'. Fine, well, then don't pretend that everyone should be a professional teacher, much less someone who knows how to teach 'the Korean way'.

If you let your co-teacher walk on you your first term, you're doomed, especially if she is even a week younger than you. Get pissed, show it, and leave the room. They'll work with you.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
'Make or break you'? Funny stuff. .


How's it funny? They are the ones who basically decide if you will continue working at the school or not. Their attitude towards the native speaker will set the students' attitude. If they show a bad attitude, so will the students. Then you gotta deal with one unruly class after another.

This year, my head teacher returned from the US. What a relief. She makes the students clean up their mess after class (in my E-room), she gets them to keep hand-outs from me and gives them marks for doing so. She keeps them quiet and in order.

The one before her, my god, I almost quit it was so terrible to walk into class.

You make it sound like native teachers never get fired or lose their jobs but they do and the people who get them fired are their co-teachers.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different views, to be sure. I say why kiss ass in a market like this. Quit. Find another job. Particularly if you are qualified, you won't have a problem in the world. The issue here is fundamentally a petagogical one, not a personal one, and if the co-teacher wants to be an ahole, then let the chips fall where they may.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There needs to be some clear guidelines about how co-teaching should work. A lot of schools seem to have no idea what to do with their NSET and the Korean teachers have differing views on what their role is.
I have 3 CT's. One for grade 3/4 and one each for grade 5 & 6.
In grade 3 and 4, it is mainly me talking with her translating.
Grade 5 and 6 my role is much more minor. I am actually in class right now typing this whilst she is teaching. Her English is so strong that I feel like I'm interfering with her lessons.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Quit. Find another job. Particularly if you are qualified, you won't have a problem in the world. .


No, don't quit, transfer. Quitting means you don't get severance pay and may end up in a different system that is just as bad or worse. It's better the devil you know than....
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
There needs to be some clear guidelines about how co-teaching should work. A lot of schools seem to have no idea what to do with their NSET and the Korean teachers have differing views on what their role is.
I have 3 CT's. One for grade 3/4 and one each for grade 5 & 6.
In grade 3 and 4, it is mainly me talking with her translating.
Grade 5 and 6 my role is much more minor. I am actually in class right now typing this whilst she is teaching. Her English is so strong that I feel like I'm interfering with her lessons.


Organisations like EPIK that attempt to set up guidelines also fail to take into consideration students' levels and NETs' experience. Elementary is totally different from middle school which is different from academic high school which is quite different from vocational high school. Some classes are almost impossible to teach without a CT actively involved while others can be a waste of time for the KET if the NET can teach it with no problems.

Of course I guess that asking the NET what role, if any, he'd like for the CT to play would never cross their minds.
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Cornfed



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faunaki wrote:
No, don't quit, transfer. Quitting means you don't get severance pay and may end up in a different system that is just as bad or worse. It's better the devil you know than....

How do you go about transfering?
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