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pokesplort



Joined: 05 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: help nativeFloridian survive k-winter:( Reply with quote

ok so, living my entire life in a state that doesn't really get colder than 20 or 30 F has left me sorely lacking in "winter" skills. obviously i know a few things, not a total moron, but does anyone have suggestions on the bare minimum i should acquire so i wont freeze to death? or where to find decent winter jackets etc that aren't going to cost me my arms and my legs? my mom suggested north face and that doesn't sound like a bad idea, but i thought i'd get some of you wonderful dave's people's suggestions since you may have been here longer and actually lived through a winter. i'm kinda worried since people keep using terms like "bitter" and "harsh" and uh yeah, really really cold etc. thanks for the help!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: help nativeFloridian survive k-winter:( Reply with quote

pokesplort wrote:
ok so, living my entire life in a state that doesn't really get colder than 20 or 30 F has left me sorely lacking in "winter" skills. obviously i know a few things, not a total moron, but does anyone have suggestions on the bare minimum i should acquire so i wont freeze to death? or where to find decent winter jackets etc that aren't going to cost me my arms and my legs? my mom suggested north face and that doesn't sound like a bad idea, but i thought i'd get some of you wonderful dave's people's suggestions since you may have been here longer and actually lived through a winter. i'm kinda worried since people keep using terms like "bitter" and "harsh" and uh yeah, really really cold etc. thanks for the help!


Assuming you are in or near Seoul (it is different if you are up in the mountains somewhere).

Temps in the winter seldom dip much below 30F during daylight hours. There is usually only a week or 3 of colder weather in December or January (usually in 1 week stretches).

The coldest I can remember (in the last 7 years or so) was about 10F (daytime temp).

You don't need a down-filled parka unless you plan to do a lot of skiing or extended periods outside after dark..

A jacket with a couple of sweaters in your wardrobe or
a jacket and thermal vest ( http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/vest.jpg ) should do you just fine.

Vests run about 10k won at Namdaemun. An OK winter jacket will run 20-50k depending on style and where you shop. Sweaters are cheap. Add an extra t-shirt under your shirt if your office / classroom is cold.
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karri



Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to add to the list

Buy mittins, gloves, scarves and hats. they make a huge diffrence and usually are not that expensive. One good knitted set should do you for the winter. (make sure they are lined with fleace on the inside)
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have yet to experience a Korean winter, but I went to Central Michigan University for my Master's degree, so I think that I can tell you what to buy for a very bad winter...and you will probably think that a mild winter is very bad. It's all in what you are used to.

I would walk around Columbus Ohio with a coat on over a single layer of clothing. Up north that first winter it took long underwear, warm clothing, a good coat, a scarf, a hat, and a pair of gloves.

The second winter was probably just as cold, but it didn't feel as bad. I met my family in Bowling Green, Ohio that winter and they were all bundled up, while I didn't feel the need.

This being your first winter: Bundle Up!

And I would like to know where to get a good coat tailor made.
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Starla



Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Re: help nativeFloridian survive k-winter:( Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

Assuming you are in or near Seoul (it is different if you are up in the mountains somewhere).

Temps in the winter seldom dip much below 30F during daylight hours. There is usually only a week or 3 of colder weather in December or January (usually in 1 week stretches).

The coldest I can remember (in the last 7 years or so) was about 10F (daytime temp).

You don't need a down-filled parka unless you plan to do a lot of skiing or extended periods outside after dark..

A jacket with a couple of sweaters in your wardrobe or
a jacket and thermal vest ( http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/ttompatz/vest.jpg ) should do you just fine.

Vests run about 10k won at Namdaemun. An OK winter jacket will run 20-50k depending on style and where you shop. Sweaters are cheap. Add an extra t-shirt under your shirt if your office / classroom is cold.


Thirty degrees Fahrenheit is ffffreezing! Well, I tend to turn into a frozen french fry in 50 degree weather.
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Gollywog



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Debussy's brain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK, here's what you do.

Go to Publix in shorts and a short sleeve shirt. Stand in the frozen food section for an hour. Stare at all the frozen food. Commit it to memory. Better yet, bring a camera. Look at the frozen TV dinners. The frozen pizza. All that beautiful ice cream in 20 different flavors. The frozen vegetables. All the other goodies I can't even summon up because I've been here too long. Enjoy the nice cool air from the freezers. Read the ingredients. Chill out.

OK, now you are ready for a winter in Korea.

The Koreans say they have four seasons here. That is only technically true. Where I am, winter lasts for about four hours. At least that's how long the snow lasts before it melts. Some areas may be colder or warmer. It's not much different from Jax here.

When that cold air does come, just pretend it is a really good Florida air conditioner, and enjoy it. Better yet, wear a short sleeve shirt.


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Captain Marlow



Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: darkness

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hit up some army/navy surplus areas at the markets... these things are made to keep you warm (lots of wool), they're relatively cheap, and their kinda stylish... anyways... that's what i did last winter... i'm from atlanta, but went to school in tallahassee (where you wear a jacket maybe twice during a winter), and i felt like i was freezing here the first winter... i'm looking forward to it this year after the scorcher of a summer we've been dealing with....
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the winter of 2006 being very cold...and this time I brought a knee-length down jacket with a hood! Is this too excessive???
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I arrived from Florida and I was freezing in March here. Best advice is buy a good sweater, a heavy coat, gloves, muffler, and maybe some thermal underwear if your school doesnt have good heating. After one good winter here it gets a little better. Confused
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I laugh at the Korean winter. Ha! But then again, the winters in Finland are a lot warmer they used to be in my childhood. I, like almost all Finnish barbarians, welcome global warming with open arms. Welcome, friend!

OP, just dress warmly and cover your hands and head. Also, make sure that the insulation (windows, front door) in your house is adequate. If necessary, buy a sleeping bag and, well, sleep in it?
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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of buying a North Face jacket, I would buy a wool overcoat or peacoat. You can get overcoats tailored in Itaewon. You might be able to find a peacoat at a navy surplus store as mentioned earlier.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I should be the master...short of any people from Fairbanks, Alaska, or Inuit from Nunavut. I'm from Winnipeg.

First, when winter comes, and it gets icy out side it's a good idea to wear pants. Sandals can be worn with socks (but you look gay) as well as a long sleeve shirt. Toques can be used when it actually hits 0.

Korea in the winter is like standing next to a breezy open freezer...honest.

Ok seriously. I wear a cap (toque) or ball cap, wool gloves are enough and fit in your pockets easily. A scarf can be nice too on chilly days, why be cold if you don't have to? All this stuff can be bought off the street of from a local market for less than 10,000 won. Buy cheap, cause you won't be unhappy if you loose anything.

A sweater is nice, I like long sleeve shirts too. Wool is the best for sweaters (trust me, it's so warm, even when wet) and polyester shirts with a snug fit are best underneath. The snug fit ensures that cold air doesn't get next to your skin. I often just wear these under an insulated vest or even a light insulated jacket. You can layer on cold days, a t-shirt or long sleeve, sweater and the insulated jacket.

I have this one

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442622289&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302699079&bmUID=1222186303504

Less than 100$ in Canada and more than enough for Korea. Expensive North Face not required. I prefer the insulated jacket to the layered sweater, shirt and shell. I hate having to strip down when I get into the pub or subway. With the light insulated jacket, just one thing needs to come off unless it is unusually cold.

Layering a shell over a fleece jacket is also good. But again I prefer the insualted jacket cause it's windproof and I don't need two peices. But for durability and extreme wind and snow protection the shell works best (you can still buy it and put it over the insulated jacket...they are actually meant for this). But really it doesn't snow enough unless you want to go skiing. If you do hit the slopes though you can find super cheap deald (I got pants for 10,000 and a ski jacket for 40,000)

There are a few copanies in Seoul that sell reasonable insulated jackets. Look around. I found one for 50,000 that did a good job. I think it was Echoroba. I'm not really a big fan of Korean brands though and brough one from home that is heaps better. They work though.

If you're getting cold feet, buy some hiking socks. Usually they sell Coolmax socks near many of the hiking areas and they can be as cheap as 3,000 won. Ya they are called coolmax, but they aren't, They are warm and fit better, look better than the green wool army socks they sell here.

If you're feeling super chilly you can buy turtle neck sweaters, I like the wool ones with zips up the front and leather gloves (9,000).


Reasonable long under wear can be buoght from the local E-marts and Home plus. The cheapest stuff is Cotton. I prefer polyester though as it dries quickly and is generally more comfortable
look around, find a nice stretchy one (they are super comfy when it's chilly)

good luck
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seoulteacher



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I want to know is, where is Nolegirl in all of this?

Please, someone call to make sure she's OK.

Here we have an OP from FLA facing her/his first winter in ROK, and Nolegirl's not part of this discussion?! Something's just not right with this picture... Laughing
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sarahbeara_413



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually been wondering the same thing lately about Korean winters. I'm from northern California and it can get pretty cold here during the winter, but my definition of cold is probably different than that of other people. I'm arriving in Seoul next month and have been loading up on long sleeved shirts and sweaters.
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W.T.Carl



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring at least four pairs of long johns.
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