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Social Equality to blame for the US Mortgage Mess?

 
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Social Equality to blame for the US Mortgage Mess? Reply with quote

I knew it was them. Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.

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Perhaps the greatest scandal of the mortgage crisis is that it is a direct result of an intentional loosening of underwriting standards�done in the name of ending discrimination, despite warnings that it could lead to wide-scale defaults.

At the crisis� core are loans that were made with virtually nonexistent underwriting standards�no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant�s ability to make payments; no down payment.

Most people instinctively understand that such loans are likely to be unsound. But how did the heavily-regulated banking industry end up able to engage in such foolishness?



http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2114[/quote]
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoever wrote that piece never heard of the Morgan Mafia.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/161199
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of exactly who was getting these home loans. Some at least were going to people who were just buying and selling, buying and selling.
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Join Me



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of this exact point tonight and have to an extent I agree with it. In America, we started lending to anyone and everyone irregardless of whether they could prove they could pay back the loans. Got a family but no money. Sure, you have a "right" to a home. Common sense got tossed out the window and we are paying for it now.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of exactly who was getting these home loans. Some at least were going to people who were just buying and selling, buying and selling.


There is a glimmer of truth that the relaxing of lending standards to facilitate black and Hispanic home ownership sped this up a bit. But it added to the problem, not caused it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SNxP4ez887I/AAAAAAAAFug/T5QoM16BIZQ/s1600-h/fed.bmp

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/09/mind-numbing-effects-of-political.html
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jandar wrote:
Whoever wrote that piece never heard of the Morgan Mafia.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/161199


You really don't like CDS instruments eh? That market is hundreds of trillions and a ticking timebomb.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the key to the story and the whole bursting financial bubble:

(from the article)

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And then came the housing boom. As the Federal Reserve cut interest rates and Americans started buying homes in record numbers, mortgage-backed securities became the hot new investment.



This is what everyone is failing to understand. The Federal Reserve cannot actually lower interest rates, what they do is CREATE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NEW MONEY, which floods the market, creates a bubble and drives down interest rates.

This problem has nothing to do with CDS's, investment banks, or even housing. It is another classic case of the effects of fiat money inflation.

The bubble must eventually pop. The bailout is just an attempt to massively inflate some more and to reinflate the bubble. It could work for a while, but eventually there will be a bigger collapse, and it will be impossible to stop it.

Even if we get this thing reinflated and buy some more time, there is left than 12 years left to the final collapse. Only, when this final collpase comes, the entire US government, and all currencies backed by dollars or not backed by some hard asset like gold, and all governments with currencies backed by dollars, will fall.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join Me wrote:
I was thinking of this exact point tonight and have to an extent I agree with it. In America, we started lending to anyone and everyone irregardless of whether they could prove they could pay back the loans. Got a family but no money. Sure, you have a "right" to a home. Common sense got tossed out the window and we are paying for it now.


1. The Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977. If it caused this crisis, why did it take 31 years to do so?

2. The vast majority of people who have taken out even subprime loans have not been foreclosed on because they are still making their payments. They may be poor, but evidently not so irresponsible as to buy homes they can't afford (barely afford may be another story).

3. So the poor folks weren't in too much debt. The financial firms who crashed on the other hand were leveraged to the hilt -- 30 to 50 times their actual assets, far above historical and industry norms. Who looks irresponsible now?

4. Regardless, not irregardless.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minorities a convenient scapegoat for U.S. financial woes

...Several days ago, Neil Cavuto, host of Fox News' Your World, proclaimed, "Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster." ...

...The conservative National Review Online trotted out a favorite whipping boy, the Community Reinvestment Act, claiming that the legislation was the result of "racially inflammatory campaigns" that forced banks to "make mortgages available to people without much in the way of income, assets or credit." ...

The CRA - designed to stop banks from "redlining," or withholding loans from entire neighborhoods - has long been under attack by conservatives, but for entirely different reasons. Critics called it vague, contradictory and useless. They claimed it was unfair to banks and thrifts, which were regulated, while other financial institutions were left to lend money as they saw fit.

That's where the argument tying the CRA to the credit crisis breaks down. The lending frenzy developed during the past few years, a period during which banks and thrifts made less than 25 percent of mortgage loans. (The law has been in place for 30 years, during most of which time there was no mortgage meltdown.)

"The heart of the crisis was caused by unregulated and lightly regulated mortgage brokers and independent mortgage bankers and affiliates that are not subject to the CRA. It would be quite odd if an act ... caused institutions not subject to its purview to do things that were inappropriate," said University of Michigan law professor Michael Barr, who has studied this legislation.

I hold no brief for dumb homebuyers, be they white, black or brown. But minority homeowners were frequently the victims of aggressive practices by mortgage brokers who received higher commissions for steering buyers into high-cost, subprime loans, even if the buyer would have qualified for a prime loan. The Center for Responsible Lending, a nonprofit research group, examined 50,000 subprime loans nationwide and found that blacks and Hispanics were 30 percent more likely than whites to be charged higher interest rates, even among borrowers with similar credit ratings.

Again, lenders didn't push those loans to comply with any "affirmative action in lending" programs. They did it to make money. That's the same reason Wall Street's masters of the universe created all those exotic investment vehicles - instruments they didn't understand any better than some homebuyers understood their adjustable rates.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.viewpoint28sep28,0,6004405.story

Looks to me like someone is trying to shift the blame.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's all a distraction to blame this mess on "brown people". The fact is, no one put a gun to the heads of the financial institutions forcing them to offer absurd loans. But it's also the case that the people who accepted these absurd loans should have known better. Nobody is faultless in this mess save the people who didn't take out any loans and have good credit (that would be me:D ).
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