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[itaewonguy]

Have you seen this documentary?
Is so do you believe it all to be true or just ramblings of a conspiracy theorist?

I mean if its all true, then what the hell does that mean, what can we trust?
media, presidents, news etc.. we have to seriously question ithe agenda and everything else more carefully..

anyone got any comments on it?

[the_beaver]

Here's what I wrote in another thread.

[itaewonguy]

[Rteacher]

It's been quite a while since I saw it, but I remember that he misrepresented Krishna's appearance on Earth to be much more recent (by over a couple thousand years) than it was.

I think that a better case could be made that all religions derive from the original Vedic culture of ancient India.
www.stephen-knapp.com/proof_of_vedic_culture's_global_existence.htm

[Ya-ta Boy]

[BreakfastInBed]

I watched half of it last year but never got around to finishing it. It makes for a good Dan Brown style story. Northrop Frye, writing in 1981, articulates the problem with the Christianity section better than I was able to do watching the movie. He said:

"Many fallacies result from the notion that "a" myth remains buried underneath all its later literary developments like a repressed desire... We may notice that Samson's name resembles early Semitic words for the sun, and that his story tells of a supernaturally powerful hero associated with the burning of crops, who eventually falls into a dark prison-house in the west. That the story shows structural or narrative analogies to the kind of story that might be suggested by the passage of the sun across the sky is true, and no storyteller worth his keep would try to eliminate such analogies. But to say that the Samson stories "derive from" a solar myth or that a solar myth "lies behind" them is to say more than anyone knows. To use an example I have given elsewhere, anyone writing the life of Napolean might speak of the "rise" of his career, the "zenith" of his fame, or the "eclipse" of his fortunes. This is the language of solar mythology, but it does not follow that the story of Napolean evolved from a sun myth. What follows is that mythical structures continue to give shape to the metaphors and rhetoric of later types of structure."

The Beaver sums up why I never bothered finishing it.

[Kimbop]

A nonsensical waste of time.

Watch this Southpark episode; you'll learn more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELaLQLLMYg&feature=related

[IncognitoHFX]

I liked the first part... not the second and third part, however. As fun as it is to accuse the Bushes of working with the Nazis... Blech!

I think if you watch Zeitgeist without suspecting all of it to be true, then it may be a pretty fun movie.

[eamo]

It was well put together and made some interesting points. But so much of it was stretching things. Like everything being connected was their main point to prove.

America: Freedom to Facism was a better movie. I had no idea that the American financial system was so perverse. The federal reserve is such a major con that has been foisted on American citizens for almost 100 years now!! How do they get away with it????

[Gamecock]

Actually, as opposed to the above poster, I agree quite a bit with the first part about religion (Christianity), but am much more skeptical about all the other economic/governmental conspiracy theories.

Long before Zeitgeist came out, I had left Christianity specifically because of my own personal journey of historical study and discovered that the story of Jesus was all but plagiarized from earlier mystery religions. The presentation of these facts is not how I would do it, but the general idea is very true. These are not vague mythical similarities, as many Christians write them off as (usually without ever really researching the facts). There is very little original in the 4 gospels, and it is without dispute that MANY Christian practices were borrowed from pagan religions.

Christian scholarship has all but ignored these facts, pretending that they don't exist (and 99% of Christians have zero knowledge of ANY pre-Christian mystery religions). The few Christian scholars who have tried to explain this plagiarism have come up with some very colorful and creative theories... like, Satan had knoweldge and understanding of prophecy, therefore he decided to create false christ-like religions hundreds and thousands of years before Jesus was born to deceive people. Pagan practices, holy days, and rituals were "redeemed" by Christ and made holy for use, blah, blah, blah. Even C.S. Lewis, a brilliant mind, struggled with this very issue and explained it away with the idea that God's plan in Christ was so evident in nature and creation from the beginning of time that it was only natural that pre-Christ myths would take on a prophetic christ-like appearance (which seems quite amazing as the same Christians like Lewis believe that nature is fallen, sinful, and seperated from God).

As a devout Christian and missionary, I struggled with these issues for years in my faith. Finally, the conclusion I came to was that the Christian explanations made little sense, and only someone desperately wanting to believe in Jesus would hold onto such rationalizations. The facts, as pretty accurately presented in the first part of Zeitgeist, really only leave a rational, objective person with one conclusion. That Christianity is a sham.

I am less conspiratorial than the movie when it comes to the economic and global powers in place. I think there are connections, but it is more of a greedy "old boys" club trying to attain as much wealth as they can. I think their greed and lust for power is for selfish reasons, and not necessarily a grand conspiracy.

[the_beaver]

[Gamecock]

Yeah, I don't want to debate this issue with people. It's just my personal experience and opinion after much study. I am happy if Zeitgeist gets people to actually look into these issues and do some real research for themselves, as most people are completely ignorant of this part of religious history.