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do you believe it
yes, I believe most. if not all of it to be true
47%
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NO. that guy made up some wild stories!
52%
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havent seen it
0%
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:20 am    Post subject: Zeitgeist Reply with quote

Have you seen this documentary?
Is so do you believe it all to be true or just ramblings of a conspiracy theorist?

I mean if its all true, then what the hell does that mean, what can we trust?
media, presidents, news etc.. we have to seriously question ithe agenda and everything else more carefully..

anyone got any comments on it?
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I wrote in another thread.

the_beaver wrote:
The content of the first part of Zeitgeist was cherry-picking thrust together shit. He (whoever he is) stretched and pull and twisted different cycles of myth to make them fit his little idea. Comparatively mythology covers the area that he was looking at, so there are links between mythologies, but the firm links that he was making generally didn't exist at all, or he heavily embellished. I watched the rest of the video with the knowledge of that hack job in my mind so it reduced the convincing power of it.

It was really well cut and put together, however.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Here's what I wrote in another thread.

the_beaver wrote:
The content of the first part of Zeitgeist was cherry-picking thrust together shit. He (whoever he is) stretched and pull and twisted different cycles of myth to make them fit his little idea. Comparatively mythology covers the area that he was looking at, so there are links between mythologies, but the firm links that he was making generally didn't exist at all, or he heavily embellished. I watched the rest of the video with the knowledge of that hack job in my mind so it reduced the convincing power of it.

It was really well cut and put together, however.


goodpoint about the first part regarding the religion.. but what about the economics?

have you seen
The money masters?

I mean this is very convincing
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been quite a while since I saw it, but I remember that he misrepresented Krishna's appearance on Earth to be much more recent (by over a couple thousand years) than it was.

I think that a better case could be made that all religions derive from the original Vedic culture of ancient India.
www.stephen-knapp.com/proof_of_vedic_culture's_global_existence.htm
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
just ramblings of a conspiracy theorist


Bingo!

I've seen several similar movies and they've all blended together in my mind. To comment on what was in this particular one would require going back and re-watching it. A complete waste of my time, IMO.
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BreakfastInBed



Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched half of it last year but never got around to finishing it. It makes for a good Dan Brown style story. Northrop Frye, writing in 1981, articulates the problem with the Christianity section better than I was able to do watching the movie. He said:

"Many fallacies result from the notion that "a" myth remains buried underneath all its later literary developments like a repressed desire... We may notice that Samson's name resembles early Semitic words for the sun, and that his story tells of a supernaturally powerful hero associated with the burning of crops, who eventually falls into a dark prison-house in the west. That the story shows structural or narrative analogies to the kind of story that might be suggested by the passage of the sun across the sky is true, and no storyteller worth his keep would try to eliminate such analogies. But to say that the Samson stories "derive from" a solar myth or that a solar myth "lies behind" them is to say more than anyone knows. To use an example I have given elsewhere, anyone writing the life of Napolean might speak of the "rise" of his career, the "zenith" of his fame, or the "eclipse" of his fortunes. This is the language of solar mythology, but it does not follow that the story of Napolean evolved from a sun myth. What follows is that mythical structures continue to give shape to the metaphors and rhetoric of later types of structure."

The Beaver sums up why I never bothered finishing it.
the_beaver wrote:
I watched the rest of the video with the knowledge of that hack job in my mind so it reduced the convincing power of it.
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Kimbop



Joined: 31 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A nonsensical waste of time.

Watch this Southpark episode; you'll learn more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELaLQLLMYg&feature=related
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the first part... not the second and third part, however. As fun as it is to accuse the Bushes of working with the Nazis... Blech!

I think if you watch Zeitgeist without suspecting all of it to be true, then it may be a pretty fun movie.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was well put together and made some interesting points. But so much of it was stretching things. Like everything being connected was their main point to prove.

America: Freedom to Facism was a better movie. I had no idea that the American financial system was so perverse. The federal reserve is such a major con that has been foisted on American citizens for almost 100 years now!! How do they get away with it????
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, as opposed to the above poster, I agree quite a bit with the first part about religion (Christianity), but am much more skeptical about all the other economic/governmental conspiracy theories.

Long before Zeitgeist came out, I had left Christianity specifically because o