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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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 Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Obama threats questioned. |
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"Legal Questions About Obama Colorado Threat"
November 3, 2008: Legal experts are questioning the decision by Colorado US Attorney Troy Eid not to prosecute the men arrested in Colorado for threatening to assassinate Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. Eid had dismissed the three men as "meth heads" and called the alleged plot "the racist rantings of drug users." But several legal experts said this trivialization of the case - the men were found with two high-powered rifles, ammunition, a bulletproof vest, two walkie-talkies, and three fake IDs - was unusual. A US Attorney's spokesman characterized the weapons and other evidence as "tools of the drug trade," though the single ounce of methamphetamine found could easily have been for personal use, and no other evidence was apparently found which would suggest the men were drug dealers. Also, it is not even clear that Sean Robert Adolph was ever asked by authorities about his alleged threats against Obama (one of the other men, Nathan Dwaine Johnson, had told authorities that Adolph had discussed plans to kill Obama)." |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Sound like TYPICAL NRA supporters.
The NRA has worked up the gun-toting population of America into Obama is going to ban all the assualt weapons, so buy your guns NOW before it is to late.
The 'NO OBAMA' t-shirts and all the other advertising related around guns certainly adds to that mentality. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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B. Clinton, backed by a Democratic Congress in 1993 and 1994, aggressively moved to do this, including limit all handguns' magazines to eight rounds or so. That is, the Democrats did not stop with merely banning automatic assault rifles; they went after lots of guns; they went after magazines and ammunition. One of the Democrats' moves that helped trigger the Newt Gingrich backlash in 1994.
In any case, the pro-gun population is not dreaming this scenario out of thin air, Tiger Beer. Something to keep in mind. Perhaps history does indeed repeat itself...
This being said, how exactly did you link this particular meth-head plot to the NRA? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| This being said, how exactly did you link this particular meth-head plot to the NRA? |
Not TO the NRA, but the kind of people that buy into the NRA and their 'NO OBAMA' message all over the U.S. right now.
In the article...
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| the men were found with two high-powered rifles, ammunition, a bulletproof vest, two walkie-talkies, and three fake IDs - was unusual. |
In another articles, the high-profiled rifles are actually a SNIPER rifles. Usually you get those at NRA gun shows or conventions. While it is possible they are NOT NRA-supporters and just happen to collect sniper rifles is completely pausible, but not very likely.
Just for curiousity sake for other readers, photos of the guys: http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/denver_officials_downplay_obam.html
Names of the guys: Shawn Adolph and Tharin Gartrell if anyone wants to do some google searches on them. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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TB,
At least the gun shops are doing brisk business. All the nuts think Obama is going to come door to door and take away their weapons and not let them buy any more.
The funny thing is every time a Democrat gets elected they say the same thing. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: |
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This is a very accurate opinion piece from the L.A. Times of Obama, Clinton, the NRA, etc.
http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/10/gun-control-oba.html
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Having already spent $2.3 million on ads critical of Barack Obama, the NRA's political action committee has shelled out another $100,000 for a spread slated to run in USA Today tomorrow. It will revive an old campaign mailing from Hillary Clinton that had criticized Obama's stance on gun rights. "Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns," headlines the ad, according to the Associated Press.
What seems odd about this is that Obama does not oppose gun rights. He has made a point of pounding this home to rural audiences, telling them he has no intention of taking their guns away: not their shotguns, not their handguns, not anything. Though Democrats were once the party of gun control, the NRA's political victory has been so complete, and national sentiment on the issue has shifted so far in favor of gun ownership, that to endorse strong gun controls in a national election today is political suicide -- which is why Clinton was trying to assert her own friendliness to gun rights during the Democratic primary.
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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I heard Dumb and Dumber (the two skinheads) were also planning on assassinating Obama while wearing white tuxedos.
So next time you deride Koreans for being hicks... well.... what can you say.... |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
This is a very accurate opinion piece from the L.A. Times of Obama, Clinton, the NRA, etc.
http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/10/gun-control-oba.html
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Having already spent $2.3 million on ads critical of Barack Obama, the NRA's political action committee has shelled out another $100,000 for a spread slated to run in USA Today tomorrow. It will revive an old campaign mailing from Hillary Clinton that had criticized Obama's stance on gun rights. "Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns," headlines the ad, according to the Associated Press.
What seems odd about this is that Obama does not oppose gun rights. He has made a point of pounding this home to rural audiences, telling them he has no intention of taking their guns away: not their shotguns, not their handguns, not anything. Though Democrats were once the party of gun control, the NRA's political victory has been so complete, and national sentiment on the issue has shifted so far in favor of gun ownership, that to endorse strong gun controls in a national election today is political suicide -- which is why Clinton was trying to assert her own friendliness to gun rights during the Democratic primary.
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I just can not understand the "gun culture" in the United States. I understand the political realities of the matter, but after living abroad for sometime, and seeing societies live without guns, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I used to hunt when I was in highschool and my boyhood home had guns and bows around for sometime after that. Then, when no one was hunting anymore, my father got rid of these things since there were no hunters left in the house. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| This being said, how exactly did you link this particular meth-head plot to the NRA? |
Not TO the NRA, but the kind of people that buy into the NRA and their 'NO OBAMA' message all over the U.S. right now... |
I do not see even the slightest confirmation that these two even know what the NRA is let alone subscribe to its campaign-year politics or belong to it as members, or what-have-you.
I think the NRA's presence and these two suspects' serving as "typical" NRA supporters in this narrative derives from your imagination.
The NRA serves as a voluntary association with political interests. Such associations have long participated in American politics. They will remain legal and respected under the Obama Administration, right? In any case, why not go to them directly for their views rather than the Los Angeles Times?
NRA's positions. |
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Tiger Beer
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Is Obama mad? How is one meant to defend one's property and loved ones from others without an arsenal of assault weapons? Whatever will this namby-pamby, extremist liberal come up with next?  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the NRA opposes Barack Obama. That is their right as Americans. In this case, they remember B. Clinton's hostility to their interests and anticipate the worst from Obama. But this is not the issue. Rather, your linking the NRA to this crude assassination plot comes from little more than a round-up-the-usual-suspects attitude. You have presented no evidence that links them.
And you might be getting ahead of yourself, Tiger Beer.
You do not allege that the NRA and/or its grassroots membership aims to assassinate Obama, or backs or approves or those who do, do you? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukidave wrote: |
All the nuts think Obama is going to come door to door and take away their weapons and not let them buy any more.
The funny thing is every time a Democrat gets elected they say the same thing. |
Milwaukiedave: there is a political war going on inside the United States re: Constitutional law and the right to bear arms. Your assigning mental illness to one side, "the nuts," while dogmatically defending the other, indeed while disingenuously suggesting that the former merely imagines that the left, their opponent, has always come after their interests, seems unhelpful, to say the least.
You seem far too rigid, not to mention spiteful, in your politics. Politics is the art of compromise, Milwaukiedave. Got any?
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Tiger Beer: there are a whole lot of "no Obama" Americans in America and they do not all fit into the crude stereotype some posters here are constructing for them: the religious right, gun nuts, and these two meth-head would-be assassins. Get a grip. I thought Barack Obama and his supporters stood for "inclusion," remember? Some seem to be embracing W. Bush's with-us-or-against-us mindset.
Remember this? B. Clinton links his "successes" against, among other targets, the NRA, as one of the decisive factors that created New Gingrich and the Republican comeback in 1994...
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On November 8 [1994], we got the living daylights beat out of us, losing eight Senate seats and fifty-four House seats, the largest defeat for our party since 1946...The Republicans were rewarded for two years of constant attacks on me and for the solidarity on the contract. The Democrats were punished for too much good government and too little good politics. I had contributed to the demise by allowing my first weeks to be defined by gays in the military; by failing to concentrate on the campaign until it was too late; and by trying to do too much too fast in a news climate in which my victories were minimized, my losses were magnified, and the overall impression was created that I was just another pro-tax, big-government liberal, not the New Democrat who had won the presidency...Apparently [the American electorate] thought divided government would force us to work together.
Ironically, I had hurt the Democrats by both my victories and my defeats. The loss of health care and the passage of NAFTA demoralized many of our base voters and depressed our turnout. The victories on the economic plan with its tax increases on high-income Americans, the Brady bill, and the assault weapons ban inflamed the Republican base voters and increased their turnout...The NRA had a great night... |
The left is in nearly the same position B. Clinton was in in 1993 and early 1994, Tiger Beer. And it seems to be adopting the same euphoric attitude, taking the same posture towards the same usual suspects, and stands poised to provoke the same Republican backlash. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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TB -
I'm a member of the NRA and I don't do meth. I also don't like Obama for a myriad of reasons besides his stance on guns. Speaking of, he might SAY he favors gun owners rights, but his VOTES tell a different story. If you read the specifics from FactCheck, they are only using what the candidates SAID during the race, NOT how they voted before. The NRA on the other hand bases its assertions on both what they said and their past votes.
Paddycakes, you're confusing these guys in Colorado with the two guys from Tennessee; THEY were going to wear the white tuxedos. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sales of automatic assault weapons should be contingent upon an extensive mental health check, so when the weapon ends up used in an illegal assault the evidence is already on file to nail down a verdict.
Then we'll see who's nutters and who has the guts to stand up for their convictions. |
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