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Privateer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Why no protests against China? Reply with quote

Check out this article by an SNU professor on the conspicuous lack of protests against the Chinese for poisoning food, for rioting in Seoul during the Olympic flag ceremony - and he doesn't even mention the murder of Korean coastguards by Chinese fishermen. If Americans were doing this half the country would be on candlelit vigil.

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2008/10/01/200810010039.asp

So, can we speculate as to the reason for this double standard? To be fair, China is not - of course - forcing Korea to accept imports of melamine contaminated products, as opposed to America which did hold Korea to its treaty obligation to accept American beef (leaving aside for the moment the fact that there's nothing wrong with American beef). Also, protests have been made through diplomatic channels about the Chinese fishermen, and the rioting Chinese 'students' are long gone. Nevertheless, one feels that these are details, and there would be public demonstrations outside the US embassy (orchestrated perhaps) if it was American milk powder. Has the professor hit the nail on the head? And will he be blasted for disloyalty to the great Han people?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Why no protests against China? Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Check out this article by an SNU professor on the conspicuous lack of protests against the Chinese for poisoning food, for rioting in Seoul during the Olympic flag ceremony - and he doesn't even mention the murder of Korean coastguards by Chinese fishermen. If Americans were doing this half the country would be on candlelit vigil.

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2008/10/01/200810010039.asp

So, can we speculate as to the reason for this double standard? To be fair, China is not - of course - forcing Korea to accept imports of melamine contaminated products, as opposed to America which did hold Korea to its treaty obligation to accept American beef (leaving aside for the moment the fact that there's nothing wrong with American beef). Also, protests have been made through diplomatic channels about the Chinese fishermen, and the rioting Chinese 'students' are long gone. Nevertheless, one feels that these are details, and there would be public demonstrations outside the US embassy (orchestrated perhaps) if it was American milk powder. Has the professor hit the nail on the head? And will he be blasted for disloyalty to the great Han people?


China has a more centralized system, though that's not so steady these days, and the Chinese wouldn't take kindly to such actions by Korea and would be vindictive. The U.S., however, would not take vindictive actions against Korea. China could care less about South Korea, and the Korean Left is not going to go against China. It's a hard sell for them politically. Bashing the U.S. is what they are interested in.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might also be the fact that China hasn't had army bases on Korean soil for the last 50+ years. Not saying it's a bad thing, but younger Koreans might think otherwise.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article is correct. "Useful idiots" on the left, eh? Sums it up nicely.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the same reason everyone was willing to support Kosovo with it's independence but not even America will stand up for Taiwan. No one wants to piss China off
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people who organize demonstrations, candlelight vigils, and all things anti-foreigner are people on the left side of the political spectrum (sorry its true) who support communist beliefs, North Korea, and China. Why would there be any protests organized by them against China? These people aren't for Korea. They are against progress and all things western, in particular all things American. That is why there are no protests against China.

The political right in Korea can't be bothered to organize these protests because they know they stand on the right side of the argument. As a side note, I never thought that I would support the political right in any country, but the leftists in this country are completely moronic (I know its not a word, but it best describes the left here).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're on the left, you're a commie. case closed. everybody pack it up.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
If you're on the left, you're a commie. case closed. everybody pack it up.


That is definitely not true. It may be somewhat true in Korea. Europe and Canada has many people on the Left who are socialist but with a capitalist core, so they are far from communist. Communism is newer than moderate socialism.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally missing the point. The huge demonstrations here weren't anti-US, they were anti-Park. The Koreans were primarily pissed at the current administration for make a stupid deal with the U.S.

In the case of China, no deals were made by the administration. The plot, however, thickens as we find out more and more that this problem was known prior to the olympics, but China kept a lid on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
jkelly80 wrote:
If you're on the left, you're a commie. case closed. everybody pack it up.


That is definitely not true. It may be somewhat true in Korea. Europe and Canada has many people on the Left who are socialist but with a capitalist core, so they are far from communist. Communism is newer than moderate socialism.


Sarcasm=not easy to do on a message board.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Totally missing the point. The huge demonstrations here weren't anti-US, they were anti-Park. The Koreans were primarily pissed at the current administration for make a stupid deal with the U.S.

In the case of China, no deals were made by the administration. The plot, however, thickens as we find out more and more that this problem was known prior to the olympics, but China kept a lid on it.


Why were they carrying around dummies of George W. (it could have been the real thing...hard to tell the difference) and burning them? Why were they chanting anti-American slogans? Why did they have anti-American company posters everywhere? Why were US flags burned? Why were there big signs with the American flag and Xs threw it? They looked pretty anti-American. It has been shown that the people who organized the demonstrations were from the left and were anti-Lee because he was so pro-American and anti-North Korean.

Furthermore what about the candlelights in 2002 for the middle school girls. Surely the Chinese have done way worse things then this. Where is the outrage? If the USA did any one of the things that the Chinese have done over the past year the protests and outrage would be out of control here. Just after 10 000 Chinese students beat Korean citizens and policemen would have been enough for mass protests that would make the 2002 racist movement look like a walk in the park if it were 10 000 US citizens instead of Chinese citizens.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bangbayed wrote:
Might also be the fact that China hasn't had army bases on Korean soil for the last 50+ years. Not saying it's a bad thing, but younger Koreans might think otherwise.


Please disregard the fact that China didn't save the country's ass... in fact, they tried to take it over themselves.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hypocrisy of Koreans is sometimes beyond belief. Chinese invade their waters, kill one of their citizens, and there is virtually no anger about it. Yet US beef drives them on with such hatred. Those protests about US beef were just as much(even more) about the US as about the Korean president. Don't get blinded by that. It was just as anti-US as anything else. The US needs to tell Korea to eff off and let them defend themselves against North Korea and China. No wonder Korea doesn't have any friends in the world.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
For the same reason everyone was willing to support Kosovo with it's independence but not even America will stand up for Taiwan. No one wants to piss China off


Um...bingo!

PRagic wrote:
Totally missing the point. The huge demonstrations here weren't anti-US, they were anti-Park. The Koreans were primarily pissed at the current administration.....


Which Park are you referring to? Park Chan-ho? Park Jin-yeong? Park Se-ri?

Whirlwind wrote:
No wonder Korea doesn't have any friends in the world.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon wrote:
The people who organize demonstrations, candlelight vigils, and all things anti-foreigner are people on the left side of the political spectrum (sorry its true) who support communist beliefs, North Korea, and China. Why would there be any protests organized by them against China? These people aren't for Korea. They are against progress and all things western, in particular all things American. That is why there are no protests against China.

The political right in Korea can't be bothered to organize these protests because they know they stand on the right side of the argument. As a side note, I never thought that I would support the political right in any country, but the leftists in this country are completely moronic (I know its not a word, but it best describes the left here).


POST OF THE YEAR. Sums it all up. Wink
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