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POSTECH shows there are still good jobs out there

 
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: POSTECH shows there are still good jobs out there Reply with quote

Look at the advert they just posted. 50 mil a year, 69 mil the second.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=43894
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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep. I used to work there and it does what it says on the tin.

Comes with a family sized on-campus apt too. The university is really nice as well although Pohang itself doesn't have much to offer.

If you have any questions fling them my way.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know! Three bedrooms. Sounds fantastic, though I'm sure it's super super expensive.
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livinginkorea



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I know! Three bedrooms. Sounds fantastic, though I'm sure it's super super expensive.


In the countryside it's really a lot cheaper for housing. Seriously in some places a three bedroom apartment in the sticks will get you a basement studio in Seoul.
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mj roach



Joined: 16 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

read it again....free housing
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ed4444



Joined: 12 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a maintenance charge and the bills can be highish but it is rent free so it is a good deal.
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2000zerozero



Joined: 20 Oct 2009
Location: it's a small country

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: all that glitters. . . Reply with quote

It looks nice and sparkly, but it's not all it's cracked up to be. Sorry to be a negative Nancy here, but I'd want the scoop if the situation was vice versa, so here goes:

#1) there's nobody to "deal with" foreign teachers there. and that's exactly how they look at it. if you plan on applying, better have a Korean wife. A coworker of mine didn't get a computer to use until the 2nd week of class because of 2 ppl fighting over whose job it was to get it.

#2) 12 hours is upped to 25 hours after the first year. yes, you get that big pay increase, but if you do the math you are actually not making any more per hour than the average uni job. only difference is that the "overtime" you were doing at that 12 hour uni job is now "mandatory" - and how often is overtime NOT available in this country? better imo to get less hours and add on as you see fit.

#3) housing is ONLY FREE THE FIRST YEAR, then you pay 500K won each month for what is mostly a decent apartment. Mine has a collapsing ceiling in the bathroom and wavy, ripped linoleum, which doesn't much bother me, but just mentioning that as an example of what to expect.

#4) summer vacation is ~ 1 month paid = good. winter vacation is supposed to be 3 full weeks, but almost never is. why? because they can not/ will not schedule incoming freshman testing a few days later. seriously. we bring it up at nearly every meeting and they say they don't know when it will be, then it cuts our vacation short, despite what the contract says.

I hear it didn't always used to be this way, but as you know, feces rolls downhill and they're currently under a very businesslike president, as opposed to an academic one. The Koreans in charge of the dept. have been tossing hints of replacing everyone and moving us into different apartments and etc. etc. etc. for a few years, but that might not ever happen. Just something to be aware of.

Still, it's probably the perfect job for someone. Just trying to knock some of the gloss off the surface there. There are good points as well, but this post is pretty positive so I didn't think I needed to mention them. There are also a slew of other issues, but that's all for another day. Beats a hakwon job, eh?

ed4444, why did you leave? You're smart to be cautious.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what percentage of KET's have a Master's, let alone one year of university teaching experience and the other requirements? Yes, some, but this ad is useless for 95% of the people looking for jobs or teaching. I hardly call it evidence that there are still "good jobs", and I'm not even the chicken little type.
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sarahsiobhan



Joined: 24 May 2009
Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MA and Uni teaching experience.....I am also a certified teacher....currently in Pohang. I had this job offered to me a while ago and I didn't take it......why? My hagwon job is a much sweeter deal.

My 2 cents.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: all that glitters. . . Reply with quote

2000zerozero wrote:
It looks nice and sparkly, but it's not all it's cracked up to be. Sorry to be a negative Nancy here, but I'd want the scoop if the situation was vice versa, so here goes:

#1) there's nobody to "deal with" foreign teachers there. and that's exactly how they look at it. if you plan on applying, better have a Korean wife. A coworker of mine didn't get a computer to use until the 2nd week of class because of 2 ppl fighting over whose job it was to get it.

#2) 12 hours is upped to 25 hours after the first year. yes, you get that big pay increase, but if you do the math you are actually not making any more per hour than the average uni job. only difference is that the "overtime" you were doing at that 12 hour uni job is now "mandatory" - and how often is overtime NOT available in this country? better imo to get less hours and add on as you see fit.

#3) housing is ONLY FREE THE FIRST YEAR, then you pay 500K won each month for what is mostly a decent apartment. Mine has a collapsing ceiling in the bathroom and wavy, ripped linoleum, which doesn't much bother me, but just mentioning that as an example of what to expect.

#4) summer vacation is ~ 1 month paid = good. winter vacation is supposed to be 3 full weeks, but almost never is. why? because they can not/ will not schedule incoming freshman testing a few days later. seriously. we bring it up at nearly every meeting and they say they don't know when it will be, then it cuts our vacation short, despite what the contract says.

I hear it didn't always used to be this way, but as you know, feces rolls downhill and they're currently under a very businesslike president, as opposed to an academic one. The Koreans in charge of the dept. have been tossing hints of replacing everyone and moving us into different apartments and etc. etc. etc. for a few years, but that might not ever happen. Just something to be aware of.

Still, it's probably the perfect job for someone. Just trying to knock some of the gloss off the surface there. There are good points as well, but this post is pretty positive so I didn't think I needed to mention them. There are also a slew of other issues, but that's all for another day. Beats a hakwon job, eh?

ed4444, why did you leave? You're smart to be cautious.


Wow~ Changing conditions so drastically (for the worse) in the second year is almost like a bait and switch.

Almost every job in the world gives more benefits the longer you stay or at least keeps them roughly the same. I have not heard before of an employer that regards your entire first year as the "carrot". It is the complete opposite in many jobs. Apprentices and junior company workers and teachers can often be paid low wages until their second or third year.

Sounds like the best option for someone is the take the POSCO job and move on after one year if they can find something better.
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the ireland



Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this part. Koreans never cease to amaze me Smile

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The university has been ranked as the best university in Korea and the 28th in the THES world university rankings, Harvard being the first


The company that ranks them actually ranked them 134th when they were part of another organisation with Quacquarelli Symonds but then split this year to join up with Thomas Reuters. (the new QS rankings has them at 112th)

This year they have been ranked at 28th but the new publishers. The small print at the bottom of their list of rankings shows why.

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A key principle of our revised rankings system in its fist year is that it includes only institutions that have assented to join the profiling process and have provided and verified the data we sought
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So POSCO increased in rankings mainly as a blip in the first year while other better uni's drag the chain on verifying data and providing profiles?

Did I read that correctly? Yes a jump from 112 to 28th is massive and does require some other explanation than simply "because we are excellent".
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