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Should I swap Japan for Korea? (Tokyo vs Seoul)
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Japan or Korea?
Sushi
61%
 61%  [ 21 ]
Kimchi
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
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numan



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Should I swap Japan for Korea? (Tokyo vs Seoul) Reply with quote

I worked in Seoul last year but I'm currently working in Japan, and have been for the last 5 months. It's really expensive over here and saving money is almost an impossibility. I'm also having to spend a lot of time traveling to schools and have to work on Saturdays. It's cool living near Tokyo but I kinda miss Seoul. I also miss having weekends free and feeling like I earn a decent wage...

There's a lot of other things to weigh up but I'm just looking for some opinions/advice on what I should do?
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan doesn't seem like the place to go right now, and I don't know if it will be in the future. As far as money goes.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raw fish or fermented cabbage? one concrete jungle for another?

Mad gawd no!

... instead... learn to cook, and as for locale...

split the difference and live near but not in Busan or Fukuoka, enjoy the beach and go to big cities once or twice a month instead of slug your way through the commute and pollution daily
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numan



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A change of scenery might be good but I've got friends in Seoul and I'm more of a city person anyway...

On the point of making money, the won has been getting weaker recently while the yen has been getting stronger. Is everyone still finding it easy to save money over there?

It looked like the wages were increasing after the visa regulation change made it more difficult to get teachers quickly but I think I might have missed the boat because some of the jobs I'm seeing advertised are offering low starting salary and some places aren't even reimbursing airfare.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea Has World's Highest Suicide Rate
Chosun Ilbo (April 23, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230029.html

TB Infections in Korea Highest in OECD
Chosun Ilbo (March 23, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503230041.html
Quote:
Korea has the highest rate of new tuberculosis infections in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development with more than 30,000 people contracting the disease every year....

About 170,000 Korean people are being treated for TB. They can spread the disease any time. Ninety-one people out of 100,000 are infected with TB in Korea every year, compared to five in the U.S., 12 in the U.K., and 33 in Japan....

Accident Rate of Pedestrians Tops Among OECD Countries
By Park Chung-a, Korea Times (July 2, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/nation_view.asp?categoryCode=117&newsIdx=5778

South Korea Leads OECD in Motor Vehicle Accidents
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (December 27, 2005)
old link
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200512/kt2005122717555911960.htm
link to story on Empas
http://news.empas.com/show.tsp/cp_kt/20051227n06724
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MrRogers



Joined: 29 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stay in Japan

just try to live more frugally
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Sadebugo1



Joined: 11 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am begging you not to return to Korea!! You can actually have a life in Japan.

Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sushi is better than kimchi when eaten by itself, but kimchi is in a different class of its own. You don't eat kimchi for a meal, it's more of a side dish. However, sushi can be eaten as a meal.

I would much rather have kimchi with other foods than sushi. I would compare sushi with hui instead. Hui is eaten with leaves and pepper paste. Even the wasabi has pepper in it.

Another comparison would be nengmyeon with cold soba in the summer (I forgot what the Japanese call it, but I ate a lot of it when I was there).
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is there's not much point in living somewhere cool if you have no time or money to enjoy it.
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numan



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the poll I wasn't really trying to compare sushi and kimchi as foods. I was just using them as symbols of either country. I am aware of their culinary differences. Thanks though.
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numan



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All I know is there's not much point in living somewhere cool if you have no time or money to enjoy it.


Yeah, exactly. Here are some examples of the prices I'm paying over here:

My average daily subway fare: $10-15
A pint of beer: $10
A trip to the movies: $20
Dinner in a restaurant: $30+
Rent: $800


Compare that to prices in Korea and it's easy to see why I might want to come back.

As for time, the teaching hours aren't too bad here 12pm - 8pm or 9pm, usually about 5 hours of actual teaching time. But I usually travel for about an hour to reach a school which makes it an 11 hour day. In Seoul I've been offered a job where the hours are 11am-5pm with all the teaching being done between 1pm-5pm. And I'd also get weekends off, unlike here where I'm required to work every Saturday. Which sucks.


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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah hah! I have the answer. You see, you have made a fundamental error. You have mistakenly identified Tokyo as a cool place to live.

The correct answer is to find another city in Japan which is authentically cool and not faux-cool like Tokyo. Then you can enjoy life at reasonable prices.

My work is done here. Good luck.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

numan wrote:
Quote:
All I know is there's not much point in living somewhere cool if you have no time or money to enjoy it.


Yeah, exactly. Here are some examples of the prices I'm paying over here:

My average daily subway fare: $10-15
A pint of beer: $10
A trip to the movies: $20
Dinner in a restaurant: $30+
Rent: $800


Compare that to prices in Korea and it's easy to see why I might want to come back.

As for time, the teaching hours aren't too bad here 12pm - 8pm or 9pm, usually about 5 hours of actual teaching time. But I usually travel for about an hour to reach a school which makes it an 11 hour day. In Seoul I've been offered a job where the hours are 11am-5pm with all the teaching being done between 1pm-5pm. And I'd also get weekends off, unlike here where I'm required to work every Saturday. Which sucks.


Stop drinking Guinness. I was just in Shibuya and had 3 beers, 3 sochus a big cup of sake for 2500� as well as a bit of food.

For dinner I went to a Thai restaurant (again in Shibuya) and it cost 1250 for the meal and 2 beers.

Why are you paying your commute fare? That is the schools job.

Rent a movie.

My rent is 45,000 in Funabashi, maybe you should think about finding a different place.

I am saving 100,000 a month.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to another more affordable city in Japan. Why are you in Tokyo?
A friend of mine works in Japan, and he doesn't work on Saturdays.
The won is weaker than what it used to be, and the yen is quite strong. If your friends are here, and you really miss Seoul, then I would say come back. Tokyo is more expensive than Seoul. That's for sure.
We can't really make up your mind for you. It could be better for you in Korea if you land a great job. It could be good if you go to a cheaper Japanese city. You are comparing your current situation in Japan with your past one in Korea, which was better.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$10 a day on the subway? I'd move closer to work or buy a bicycle (if it's too far for a bicycle, would a motorcycle be a viable option?)

If you feel like you're burning out and aren't enjoying Japan, then perhaps you should move back to Korea. Japan will always be there for vacations if you want. And the weak won? Here's hoping that's temporary.
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