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Rae
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 Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Not Konglish, Korean English! |
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I'm looking up school related things for the first time today (outside of school). A teacher got to me again and was asking advice about her midterm exam. A few words were wrong. A question, in particular, sucked ass: pick a wrong-o answer out of all the wrong-o answers. She looked at me as if I was a retard for thinking something is wrong with "had got". I told her it's "have got" or "have gotten" BUT in grammar, "got" can always be omitted and that it's usually advised to just omit it.
She insisted she was right and then busted the book. Low and behold - there it is, in numerous examples and even a How to use "Had got" in a damn sentence.
This right here is the problem -- not just that it's wrong in a book that they teach students, but the fact that they KNOW the book's been wrong before and yet they still insist it's the bible for the English language!
The real problem is that their country would rather buy from a local publisher/author instead of giving money to a foreigner. It would make sense in say, hardware ... but a book about English that's maybe written by an actual native English speaking professional with a background to write the damn book is always < a Korean.
Have I mentioned how I'm counting the days now ...  |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I had got my visa, but now they keep asking if I have got a medical check.
I've been told this is more a British English thingy, whereas Americans would say "have gotten/ had gotten".
I know it's not formal grammar, but I don't see it as wrong and certainly not "Korean". I wonder where you are from to think the things you do.
It's just a less formal way of saying "had obtained", certainly nothing wrong with it. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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note:
'<' means 'less than
'>' means 'more than'
the wide side goes next to the thing that is greater. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Pragmatically but ungrammatically speaking, I'd be quite happy if my students and teachers started using "have got/had got" in a standard way, even if it grates on my English ears.
It's a lot more understandable than when they omit the verb in the sentence entirely, and then think I'm a fool for not being able to understand their meaning.
It's okay now, though, since I just the whole thing. |
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Rae
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
note:
'<' means 'less than
'>' means 'more than'
the wide side goes next to the thing that is greater. |
I meant (lol) that they think Koreans are better than anyone else! So yeh .. umm... try again.
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Rae
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
Pragmatically but ungrammatically speaking, I'd be quite happy if my students and teachers started using "have got/had got" in a standard way, even if it grates on my English ears.
It's a lot more understandable than when they omit the verb in the sentence entirely, and then think I'm a fool for not being able to understand their meaning.
It's okay now, though, since I just the whole thing. |
I think the problem, which I didn't state enough is that it is in a midterm question that asks for the wrong answer but all the answers were equally wrong. I'd be happy that they speak any English, this is about the Kteacher's attitude (that I've had a lot of but never explained ... I should start explaining).
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Rae
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I had got my visa, but now they keep asking if I have got a medical check.
I've been told this is more a British English thingy, whereas Americans would say "have gotten/ had gotten".
I know it's not formal grammar, but I don't see it as wrong and certainly not "Korean". I wonder where you are from to think the things you do.
It's just a less formal way of saying "had obtained", certainly nothing wrong with it. |
It wasn't about have gotten or had gotten. I should have photocopied that midterm so I can give real examples here but all sentences weren't grammatically correct. In fact, my suggestion was "have gotten" or "have got" BUT she insisted that it was only "had got". It was a midterm question that kids will likely ask (cause they have before) which one is correct and according to normal English rules, it won't be any of the answers, yet again.
I'm no grammar natzi (and I'm proud of that because I hate the shit out of that)! This is about not thinking the Korea way, is always, always right. |
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Rae
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Jimmy was pulled over by the police, but he was relieved when he remembered he had got his international licence renewed the week before. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
| Jimmy was pulled over by the police, but he was relieved when he remembered he had got his international licence renewed the week before. |
When using the passive causative (your example), you only need one of those.
Either:
"...he remembered he had his international license renewed the week before."
Or:
"...he remembered he got his international license renewed the week before."
Maybe the OP is referring to the usage in the past perfect--"By 2001, I had already got married." or "By May, he had got a new job."
Just a guess, but then, I've been wrong before! |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Rae wrote: |
| I think the problem, which I didn't state enough is that it is in a midterm question that asks for the wrong answer but all the answers were equally wrong. |
Good point, Rae. Sorry I didn't pick up on that right away. :) |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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rae wrote:
"I meant (lol) that they think Koreans are better than anyone else! So yeh .. umm... try again."
then please, for the sake of clarity, indicate who is speaking! and don't take it personally. |
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Rae
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
rae wrote:
"I meant (lol) that they think Koreans are better than anyone else! So yeh .. umm... try again."
then please, for the sake of clarity, indicate who is speaking! and don't take it personally. |
Just responding to your response is all... but you're right, I shouldn't take anything personally, especially here in Korea (I know you probably didn't mean it that way but it works).
I should also stop answering her damned questions about checking her English if she will insist that it's correct anyway. This has been going on for awhile ... and to everyone else, yes, this means my frustration isn't just about these questions. |
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Rae
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Note: They were all present tense, simple sentences. If she wrote "have got" or "have", there would be no reason for this rant.
Edit: If this hasn't been going on for months, there would be no reason for a countdown. |
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Teleria
Joined: 28 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| We always learned "Don't use got unless you got to!" in high school English class. |
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